Kaepernick makes statement during National Anthem

[fitty76]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Actually, he might prefer to get cut. Might ultimately turn out to be a win-win situation.

If he gets cut he'll play the martyr game.  "Big bad NFL doesn't like their players speaking out," he could say.  

[TN05]

24 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

What Colin did has people talking. Sitting down during the anthem allowed him to state his grievance with the current state of America, the same way Ali's protest of the war allowed him to state his grievance with America at that time. Not as different as you think, they both were taking a stand.

No, they were not. Kaepernick did something that does nothing to him. He has no sponsors, isn't a starter. It's nothing. It keeps him in the news and probably makes it harder to cut him. Ali actually did something. He risked his career to oppose a war. Colin is being a typical social justice warrior: acting like doing something that is meaningless and requires no effort is a big deal.

[TN05]

4 minutes ago, fitty76 said:

If he gets cut he'll play the martyr game.  "Big bad NFL doesn't like their players speaking out," he could say.  

He's pulling a Chris Kluwe. Player clearly past his prime takes up politics so, when he is cut or doesn't start, he has an excuse. It's a career move.

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, fitty76 said:

If he gets cut he'll play the martyr game.  "Big bad NFL doesn't like their players speaking out," he could say.  

Remember Chris Kluwe? He spoke out for gay rights and never made another NFL roster. Not as far fetched as you think.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, TN05 said:

No, they were not. Kaepernick did something that does nothing to him. He has no sponsors, isn't a starter. It's nothing. It keeps him in the news and probably makes it harder to cut him. Ali actually did something. He risked his career to oppose a war. Colin is being a typical social justice warrior: acting like doing something that is meaningless and requires no effort is a big deal.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2014/01/16/colin-kaepernick-niners.html

[TN05]

Just now, top dawg said:

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2014/01/16/colin-kaepernick-niners.html

 

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

What Colin did has people talking. Sitting down during the anthem allowed him to state his grievance with the current state of America, the same way Ali's protest of the war allowed him to state his grievance with America at that time. Not as different as you think, they both were taking a stand.

Pretty sure he could state his grievances without doing what he did.  I mean, you know how many blacks, whites, latinos,  purple people etc have died for that flag and giving people real freedom? 

flag/anthem simply represents too many things to think it can be effectively used in protesting things like he did. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

5 minutes ago, TN05 said:

No, they were not. Kaepernick did something that does nothing to him. He has no sponsors, isn't a starter. It's nothing. It keeps him in the news and probably makes it harder to cut him. Ali actually did something. He risked his career to oppose a war. Colin is being a typical social justice warrior: acting like doing something that is meaningless and requires no effort is a big deal.

Before this, if Colin were to get cut he would likely get picked up by another team on his past merits alone. So risking millions of dollars and acclaim is nothing. Blaine Gabbert is a terrible QB and he may be a starter, so I find it hard to believe no team would pick up Colin.

[joeyxfresco]

You cant talk racism and discrimination if you've never personally experienced. What Kap did is small in comparison to what other athletes have done but his point is coming off loud and clear. In my eyes it is especially brave considering the double standards and prejudice thrown at black QBs by the media. Good for Kap.

[Guest Guiest]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, you know how many blacks, whites, latinos,  purple people etc have died for that flag and giving people real freedom?

Yes, and i have a tremendous amount of respect for them. Do you know why Ali protested the war,.Black men were good enough to fight along side "Americans" in the war but were not good enough to be served at a counter at restaurants. Why go to a unjust war for America only to come home and be discriminated against was part of his line of thinking. 

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Pretty sure he could state his grievances without doing what he did.  I mean, you know how many blacks, whites, latinos,  purple people etc have died for that flag and giving people real freedom? 

flag/anthem simply represents too many things to think it can be effectively used in protesting things like he did. 

 

 

People die for agendas, not flags.

It reminds me of a song by Terence Trent D'Arby, If You All Get To Heaven, and specifically these lyrics:

Quote

 

Old men's cigars

Puff up the wars

To protect their fug-ups again

Young men must die!

To keep the old ones alive

And to prove they're studs once again

 

Symbols are in many ways superfluous when compared to the underlying reality behind them.

[Happy Panther]

I haven't read this thread but I assume the sentiment is this:

Kaep has presented himself as a dumb douchebag. All of a sudden, one day, he decides he is going to take a stand against social injustice. Good for you. Of course you were raised by white parents and have a white mom and were given every opportunity in life despite having a broken home. I feel for you and would not want to diminish your plight.

Of course he is right. Racial inequality and oppression are a huge problem and as a black athlete in the spotlight he is in a unique position to help.

But instead of using your voice or influence or money, you choose to disparage the flag. Which of course does nothing except bring negative attention to you.

HEY EVERYONE I AM MAD ABOUT SOMETHING LOOK AT ME!

 

Douchebag

 

 

[Guest Guest]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

flag/anthem simply represents too many things to think it can be effectively used in protesting things like he did. 

Read his quote he explains why he used the anthem as his stance.

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Remember Chris Kluwe? He spoke out for gay rights and never made another NFL roster. Not as far fetched as you think.

NFL teams frankly don't want to deal with added attention.  Doesn't really matter the cause.  If you want to create a mini circus with the media....you better be good enough for team to be willing to deal with it.

whatever the issue is really would be irrelevant.  If Bersin decided to start bringing attention to any national issue (good or bad)...Carolina likely isn't going to like it.

I like Kluwe.  But he was a punter that loved getting in the mix with the media (not even talking about his gay rights cause).  Teams don't want to be answering questions about their okay punter all the time.