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It's Time To Acknowledge The Elephant In The Room

Proudiddy

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Cam is trying to keep the distractions down. Let's be honest, the media hates him. So no matter what he says about the officiating or anything else, it will be something. I think one or two missed calls is human error but more than that? It's all intentional. Even when he called out Ed Hochuli, I don't think that did anything but make him a target. So he really can't win  

Player safety is not important, obviously, when it comes to Cam. He's not your average quarterback. He's bigger than most and more physical than most. So they automatically feels like he can take it. Race is also a factor, no matter how much he or anyone else wants to say it's not. Cam knows that it is. 

I really need this organization to rally around him (not just players, but the front office) and allow him to go back to being that Cam that said whatever he wanted to say. 

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2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Perception is everything buddy...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fta_career.html

Shaq ranks 4th all-time in free throw attempts.  NBA refs couldn't shoot them for him, sadly.  And this is a sore spot for me, as I lost $20 on that Sacramento/LA series where LA shot a record amount of FTs in the 4th qtr because of the NBA "protecting" their stars.  I have to say, the league is a lot more transparent and appears less "fixed" under Silver than they were under Stern.

I'm assuming, since you bet money on it, that you're old enough to have watched Shaq play throughout his career. If that's the case, regardless of attempt statistics, then you must know that Shaq was refed differently than anyone before him. It was talked about then and after.

Pat Reilly and Phil Jackson literally said as much. Shaq was so big that fouls on him were taken as not "affecting his shot". And that is the key with Cam. Those head shots are clear and I'm not disagreeing with those bad no calls. But I do agree that the refs treat Cam differently than other QBs because of his size...very much like Shaq.

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Just now, RickyManningJr said:

All of you millenials that think football is a 2 hand touch game and those hits were serious, I dislike you.

 

1 minute ago, Moorgan said:

I'm assuming, since you bet money on it, that you're old enough to have watched Shaq play throughout his career. If that's the case, regardless of attempt statistics, then you must know that Shaq was refed differently than anyone before him. It was talked about then and after.

Pat Reilly and Phil Jackson literally said as much. Shaq was so big that fouls on him were taken as not "affecting his shot". And that is the key with Cam. Those head shots are clear and I'm not disagreeing with those bad no calls. But I do agree that the refs treat Cam differently than other QBs because of his size...very much like Shaq.

Thank you for understanding what I am attempting to explain. I am in no way condoning what is happening. I am trying to explain it.

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Just now, Moorgan said:

I'm assuming, since you bet money on it, that you're old enough to have watched Shaq play throughout his career. If that's the case, regardless of attempt statistics, then you must know that Shaq was refed differently than anyone before him. It was talked about then and after.

Pat Reilly and Phil Jackson literally said as much. Shaq was so big that fouls on him were taken as not "affecting his shot". And that is the key with Cam. Those head shots are clear and I'm not disagreeing with those bad no calls. But I do agree that the refs treat Cam differently than other QBs because of his size...very much like Shaq.

Yeah, I was 18.  I'm not saying they couldn't have called more, I'm simply saying they called a lot for him within the scope of averages - as the statistics bear out, he had a lot more foul calls made for him than ones that weren't.  

 

I get what you're saying, but this is different.  Like I said earlier, a helmet hit is a foul for ANY player, and that is the issue here.  Subjective personal foul calls have nothing to do with that.

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31 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

Last post, then im done. The other helmet contact was glancing at best. The last one was clearly a legit blow. I am saying that yes, the refs will allow Brandon Marshall to tap Cams helmet clearly by mistake as CAM NEWTON is running at him full speed and decides to pull up and dump  a pass.

LeBron goes through the same thing.  Yes, the fact that they are on another level physically works against them. It is not because Cam is black. Sorry.

You know nothing, have seen, nothing guess what you are blind.Color blind. Bc LeBron goes thru it is not a justification to make it right and guess what is he not black...how is cam pulling up when already being tackled.  You right this is your last post.

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6 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

All of you millenials that think football is a 2 hand touch game and those hits were serious, I dislike you.

What you're failing to comprehend, Dick Butkus, is that these aren't the millennial's rules... it's the NFL's rules to protect their players.  If you are going to call it for one guy, you have to call it for all of the guys.  You're derailing the argument into something entirely different. 

We didn't make the rules.  The NFL did.  So they should enforce them fairly, not selectively...  Otherwise, people might start to think you have an agenda.

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Just now, Darvinsun said:

You know nothing, have seen, nothing guess what you are blind.Color blind. Bc LeBron goes thru it is not a justification to make it right and guess what is he not black...how is cam pulling up when already being tackled.  You right this is your last post.

There are like four white guys in the NBA. The play you are referring to Von Miller hit Cam. I am talking about the 3rd down play when Kalil face masked Wolfe.  You seem very educated.

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3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, I was 18.  I'm not saying they couldn't have called more, I'm simply saying they called a lot for him within the scope of averages - as the statistics bear out, he had a lot more foul calls made for him than ones that weren't.  

 

I get what you're saying, but this is different.  Like I said earlier, a helmet hit is a foul for ANY player, and that is the issue here.  Subjective personal foul calls have nothing to do with that.

I completely agree with the head calls last night. You're 100% right about that. But in general I think Cam gets treated like Shaq. A game changer because of his size and abilities. It still exists in the NBA for players like Dwight Howard. It likely won't change for Cam either.

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9 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

All of you millenials that think football is a 2 hand touch game and those hits were serious, I dislike you.

I'm 33 and technically by definition a millennial. I still remember watching the player that you use as your user name be able to assault receivers all the way down the field. It was the 5 yard rule that basically ended his career, because it was a rule and it got enforced and he wasn't good enough without being able to just beat up receivers through the routes.

You're basically making an argument that players like Ricky Manning Jr should have been able to continue to be physical down field against larger receivers because it's just not fair otherwise.

Rules are rules and you look stupid trying to justify or downplay Cam not getting the same protection as other QBs.

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