Some Cause For Concern Regarding Cam?

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

2 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Don't forget those PT's that you threw under the bus in the last comment. They're pretty good themselves. Especially those who are fortunate enough to be on a stage to work with high level athletes like our QB


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i didn't throw them under the bus. I just said the PT's tried working on Cam with no success, so surgery was a last resort. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

17 minutes ago, pstall said:

Im VERY curious who is doing the surgery.

Gettleman is.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I'm well aware of the advancements that can be made in 12 years, but from everything I've read, the surgery is the same as it was 12 years ago.  The number of QBs who failed to return to form after that same surgery cited in the article is significant.

First of all Pennington completely tore his rotator cuff twice not once. This is a partial year. Brees didn't tear his rotator cuff he bruised it which meant it was injured but not torn.

Roethlisburger did have a partial tear in 2009 IIRC and is still playing today with no Ill effects. He didn't even have surgery so it may have been less of an injury than Cam or he heals easier.

[WarHeel]

Thanks for your insight, but in my defense, as I cited, multiple medical experts stated on various outlets that nugget about not knowing whether it was a complete tear until they got into surgery.  So, i was just sharing that for informed context, not based off of my own assumptions.  But, i trust your informed opinion here, and am certainly hoping this is the scenario that plays out.

No problem [emoji108]🏼
I would agree to an extent that you don't really know the EXTENT of the damage until you get inside but I would argue based more for early grades of tears like 1 or 2. Athletes like Cam will not present with significant functional deficiencies with milder tears like most normal human beings would because he is conditioned so well. However, when the RTC is completely torn that will present fairly obviously as it is impossible to present with normal range of motion and most cases strength without some sort of compensation.


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[WarHeel]

i didn't throw them under the bus. I just said the PT's tried working on Cam with no success, so surgery was a last resort. 

Fair enough. Just know that PT's and other medical professionals can only do so much. It's up to the patients and athletes to be compliant with the education and exercises (or lack thereof) that they are given. If Cam or the coaches for that matter want him to push through an injury that shouldn't be reflected on his medical staff.


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[E CaT PanTHer 2]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

First of all Pennington completely tore his rotator cuff twice not once. This is a partial year. Brees didn't tear his rotator cuff he bruised it which meant it was injured but not torn.

Roethlisburger did have a partial tear in 2009 IIRC and is still playing today with no Ill effects. He didn't even have surgery so it may have been less of an injury than Cam or he heals easier.

he actually did partially tear it. the fact that he came back from a fully torn labrum and partially torn rotator cuff gives me a little more confidence that Cam will be just fine.

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Andrews has talked about Brees' 2006 shoulder repair as one of the most unique in his career. He reportedly used 12 anchors, which was the most he had ever used at the time, to repair a complete 360-degree tear of Brees' labrum. In addition, Andrews reportedly repaired at least a partial tear in the rotator cuff.

Brees said Wednesday that "in a lot of ways it was the best thing that ever happened to me," because he learned how to strengthen the shoulder more than he ever had before the injury.

"When I dislocated my shoulder back in 2005 and rehabbed it throughout 2006, I was told right then by Dr. Andrews, ‘You're always gonna have to stay on top of this shoulder. You're always gonna have to do a little bit extra just to keep it at the level you want to keep it at,'" said Brees, who explained that "I started doing things I had never done before" as far as maintenance.

"I felt my shoulder was stronger than it ever had been before after that rehab process," Brees said. "And I just stayed on a lot of those things. And those are things that I continue to fine-tune, continue to add to, maybe tweak a little bit each and every offseason."

Brees, 36, said there is always a concern about risking further damage when it comes to a throwing shoulder. But he said with this particular injury, that risk is not overly concerning.

Brees said the decision of whether to play Sunday at Carolina will be based more on how strong and effective he feels, which is why he said it will ultimately be his decision.

 

[TylerDurden]

7 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

No problem
I would agree to an extent that you don't really know the EXTENT of the damage until you get inside but I would argue based more for early grades of tears like 1 or 2. Athletes like Cam will not present with significant functional deficiencies with milder tears like most normal human beings would because he is conditioned so well. However, when the RTC is completely torn that will present fairly obviously as it is impossible to present with normal range of motion and most cases strength without some sort of compensation.


 

Do you believe his surgery is more of a detriment to his long-term outcome than had he been able to avoid it?

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

he actually did partially tear it. the fact that he came back from a fully torn labrum and partially torn rotator cuff gives me a little more confidence that Cam will be just fine.

 

The bruise I was reporting was after this surgery and only kept him out one week. What you are talking about was the original surgery in 2006.  I didn't clarify what I was referring to.

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

Just now, panthers55 said:

The bruise I was reporting was after this surgery and only kept him out one week. What you are talking about was the original surgery in 2006. 

ahhh got you 

[WarHeel]

Do you believe his surgery is more of a detriment to his long-term outcome than had he been able to avoid it?

If nothing has changed for the worse since week 16 when he was still dropping bombs I wouldn't be too concerned.


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[TylerDurden]

And here is another informative article, more recent on athletes and labrum injuries.  It kind of addresses the lack of significant advancements in shoulder prodecures because the shoulder is one of the most intricate parts of the human anatomy.  They quoted a surgeon as saying it is like putting a puzzle together without the box top.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2014510-shoulder-labrum-surgery-an-inside-look-at-baseballs-toughest-injury

[WarHeel]

And here is another informative article, more recent on athletes and labrum injuries.  It kind of addresses the lack of significant advancements in shoulder prodecures because the shoulder is one of the most intricate parts of the human anatomy.  They quoted a surgeon as saying it is like putting a puzzle together without the box top.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2014510-shoulder-labrum-surgery-an-inside-look-at-baseballs-toughest-injury

Realizing too that a labral tear and a tear of the rotator cuff are two completely different injuries. I understood it as Cam has the latter.


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[E CaT PanTHer 2]

mitch trubisky at 8 as insurance? 

[outlaw4]

12 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

mitch trubisky at 8 as insurance? 

Only if Cam had to get Tommy John.