Analysis: Beyond The Completion Percentage - Why Carolina's Scheme And Weapons Made Life Hard For Cam

[Hogmolliesmaht]

33 minutes ago, mikeholiday said:

Forgetting that they still win even when he is out. Brady is overrated. 

Tom Brady is overrated? Are you out of your mind? Who is better, in your opinion?

[Peppers90 NC]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Tom Brady is overrated? Are you out of your mind? Who is better, in your opinion?

no one, even if he is "overrated" he is still the best. but this board can only call Cam the best so no point in asking those types of questions.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

12 minutes ago, dpm0409 said:

This is right on point.  For years, I've wished our offense could get the ball out of Cams hands quicker.  I hate Cam having to hold onto the ball for long developing routes.  I'm not implying long routes should never be ran, but there has to be a balance.

 

So why isn't Cam using his check downs more and/or audibling out of bad plays, if that's the case? There are shorter routes and short passes in this system, believe or not. I'm almost positive that nobody on this coaching staff is forcing Cam to go deep if he doesn't want to.

[Saca312]

And @falconidae do you really believe this guy is actually fluffing up QBs? Does that even make any sense?

His target audience is a group of people wanting true deep analysis on QBs, not fluff pieces that don't show what truly happened. If you think it's all fluff, then don't look up Osweiler or Gabbert; I don't think you'll like those pages if you're a fan of those QBs.

You're really stretching, trying to downgrade Cam Newton, and it's funny to see how silly you look.

[Saca312]

10 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

So why isn't Cam using his check downs more and/or audibling out of bad plays, if that's the case? There are shorter routes and short passes in this system, believe or not. I'm almost positive that nobody on this coaching staff is forcing Cam to go deep if he doesn't want to.

Huh. Multiple football analysts already know for a fact Carolina's scheme revolves around the deep ball and highly difficult passes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769130/article/cam-newton-leads-nfls-top10-most-aggressive-qbs

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Few quarterbacks operate in an environment that creates a higher degree of difficulty. The Panthers offensive design requires Newton to hit high-degree of difficulty passes both deep and outside the numbers

 

[Saca312]

@falconidae Just to let you know from the standards you set on Newton, I believe the blame for that comes 100% from Matt Ryan rather than the playcall. But of course I want to hear your take first.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Huh. Multiple football analysts already know for a fact Carolina's scheme revolves around the deep ball and highly difficult passes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000769130/article/cam-newton-leads-nfls-top10-most-aggressive-qbs

 

Again though, who is stopping Cam from taking the check downs and/or audibling out of bad plays? Nobody can seem to answer that question. Somebody already pointed out that Anderson has a better completion percentage in the exact same offense with the exact same coaching staff. Obviously, Cam is the clear cut starter and the leader of this team. I'm not disputing that at all, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask these kinds of questions instead of just blaming everything on Shula  either.

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Again though, who is stopping Cam from taking the check downs and/or audibling out of bad plays? Nobody can seem to answer that question. Somebody already pointed out that Anderson has a better completion percentage in the exact same offense with the exact same coaching staff. Obviously, Cam is the clear cut starter and the leader of this team. I'm not disputing that at all, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask these kinds of questions instead of just blaming everything on Shula  either.

Did you watch the Bucs game that DA played in? 

How in the hell was that the same playcalling Cam Newton had? I can assure you what was called was in no way shape or form similar to what Cam Newton was expected to do. 

[dpm0409]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Again though, who is stopping Cam from taking the check downs and/or audibling out of bad plays? Nobody can seem to answer that question. Somebody already pointed out that Anderson has a better completion percentage in the exact same offense with the exact same coaching staff. Obviously, Cam is the clear cut starter and the leader of this team. I'm not disputing that at all, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask these kinds of questions instead of just blaming everything on Shula  either.

I for one, don't want Cam to have to solely rely on "check downs and/or audibling out of bad plays".  There needs to be an overall scheme change.  Hopefully that's what we will all be witnessing come September.  Drafting guys like CMC and Samel support the notion that we are evolving the offense, but we shall see.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Did you watch the Bucs game that DA played in? 

How in the hell was that the same playcalling Cam Newton had? I can assure you what was called was in no way shape or form similar to what Cam Newton was expected to do. 

Whether it was or not, those plays are obviously in Shula's system. Cam knows the system and can audible anytime he wants. This is as much his offense as it is Shula's, is it not? Does he not have any say in the game plan or the play calling during the game? If that's the case, then RR and Shula most definitely need to go, but I just don't believe it is.

[Saca312]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Whether it was or not, those plays are obviously in the system. Cam knows the system and can audible anytime he wants. This is as much his offense as it is Shula's, is it not?

That offense that we ran with DA was similar to a WC system in which passes were out in 2 seconds or less and predicated on quick short passes. The coaching staff decided to help DA out with simpler vanilla route concepts, short passes, and screens. 

Simply put the playcalling is like any other offense that inflated QB stats because of how friendly it is. The playcalls worked decently because we weren't planning to use them all year and only temporarily, making sure other teams won't be able to easily exploit it.

Yet when Cam's on the field, Shula employs the deep passes and difficult schemes because that was the plan all year since training camp. @Jeremy Igo even mentioned how last year's TC rarely showed Cam throwing short and had a bunch of deep passes.

[falconidae]

20 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

@falconidae So what was your opinion of that play in the Superbowl right where Patriots DT Flowers sacked Matt Ryan.

Whose fault? Playcalling or Matt Ryan?

What does that have to do with Cam?

Once again, not saying Cam is a bad QB, just that some of the blame for all those long developing plays is his.

Again, same players, same OC, Anderson has a 68% comp rate for the year. You going to tell me those same plays aren't available to Cam?

Of course they are, go back and look at all those gifs you put up in the earlier threads. Notice how often a RB is open or there's a shorter throw available than Cam doesn't take. The checkdown is built into most deep throws, Cam doesn't use it.

 

[TheRed]

Why do we still have mouth breathers here talking about how Cam never throws short passes?

Our offense is running the football, and throwing it downfield. We are not a dink and dunk offense.

[TheRed]

Also, I generally don't advocate banning, but can we please get this @falconidaepussy out of the main forum already?

If you're too much of a dork to only show up to talk poo when you're team is winning, you forfeited your chances to come participate in discussion.