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The Hollis Thomas effect?


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There was an article in the Observer about how Thomas should tie up blockers and help Beason make some plays. I was wondering if anyone thought that he would make a dramatic effect on the defense? I for one don't think it will be a huge difference, maybe better run defense but he's not going to be out there on third and long or other passing situations. I really feel like we will win Sunday and the defense will play well but thats more due to the opponent than Thomas. I think the defense's problem stems more from poor coaching and fundamentals, and these are things that Hollis Thomas can't effect.

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Hollis Thomas = SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!!

Thank God we have him. What took Hurney so long?

Just having Hollis Thomas makes Charles Godfrey a better tackler and gives him the instincts to read the offense. It makes Julius Peppers discover his comatose heart....I think Julius is suffering from the H1m1 flu and has not disclosed it this season......Hollis Thomas will heal Julius from all future viral infections.

But yes it should free up Beason for some tackles...If an injury to Makke has this much of an effect then our defense has more holes than we know.

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best case scenario is the D goes back to looking like it did last season.......but they were giving up about 30 a game once weaknesses were figured out.....which still leaves us to address the lack of pass rush and coverage in the secondary.

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so how many DTs will next year's coach have to work with?

seems like we'll have some decent depth next year finally.

kemo, irvin, lewis, leonard, hollis, hayden, sunny harris, burton.

surely there must be something worthwhile in that group. i like it better than what we had last year for sure. a lot more potential. we still will need someone else to come in and compete but i don't feel bad about the prospects that we will have.

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so how many DTs will next year's coach have to work with?

seems like we'll have some decent depth next year finally.

kemo, irvin, lewis, leonard, hollis, hayden, sunny harris, burton.

surely there must be something worthwhile in that group. i like it better than what we had last year for sure. a lot more potential. we still will need someone else to come in and compete but i don't feel bad about the prospects that we will have.

also the draft is deep in DT..

next year IMO,Hollis,burton,lewis,hayden will be gone..but if fox is still here..we prob will keep some guys that need to be gone because they are vets

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also the draft is deep in DT..

next year IMO,Hollis,burton,lewis,hayden will be gone..but if fox is still here..we prob will keep some guys that need to be gone because they are vets

the experience and mentoring thing isn't overrated. it's very much needed. i wouldn't have a problem keeping 6 DTs next year just because of how difficult it is to keep them healthy.

right now the DL would look like (were it up to me):

DE: johnson, brayton, brown, taylor (or some FA/draft pick)

DT: kemo, lewis, hollis, sunny, irvin, leonard

use the money we save from not having pep to shore up other areas.

if we can get better on the DL that would be nice but that is in the very least how it should look.

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the experience and mentoring thing isn't overrated. it's very much needed. i wouldn't have a problem keeping 6 DTs next year just because of how difficult it is to keep them healthy.

right now the DL would look like (were it up to me):

DE: johnson, brayton, brown, taylor (or some FA/draft pick)

DT: kemo, lewis, hollis, sunny, irvin, leonard

I noticed that Peppers is not around. You think they will let him walk or get something out of him. I agree that there is no way they bring him back as a Franchise player but with no salary cap (not sure on the exact rules) it may be possible. If we can build a good defensive line and get another competent DE on the other side (I like Johnson) then Peppers will prove his worth. With that said I think Leonard will be a decent player for us and next season we will have some good young talent at that position, so much so we may be able to skip using a high draft pick on a DT.

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I noticed that Peppers is not around. You think they will let him walk or get something out of him. I agree that there is no way they bring him back as a Franchise player but with no salary cap (not sure on the exact rules) it may be possible. If we can build a good defensive line and get another competent DE on the other side (I like Johnson) then Peppers will prove his worth. With that said I think Leonard will be a decent player for us and next season we will have some good young talent at that position, so much so we may be able to skip using a high draft pick on a DT.

trade pep for a first round pick if at all possible. do with him what the pats did with seymour. just trade him and let him and the new team sort it all out. just find some way to get back in the first round. use the cap savings to improve in a lot of other areas and get some extension on other key players. if no cap next year then all the better. just would be better to use that money on someone who actually wants to be here and play.

you don't get enough bang for your buck with peppers. that money could be used better elsewhere, imo. not having a cap next year wouldn't mean that we have deep enough pockets to keep pep and improve other places. we aren't the redskins or cowboys.

doesn't matter who we have on the other side. pep can't be trusted.

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the experience and mentoring thing isn't overrated. it's very much needed. i wouldn't have a problem keeping 6 DTs next year just because of how difficult it is to keep them healthy.

right now the DL would look like (were it up to me):

DE: johnson, brayton, brown, taylor (or some FA/draft pick)

DT: kemo, lewis, hollis, sunny, irvin, leonard

use the money we save from not having pep to shore up other areas.

if we can get better on the DL that would be nice but that is in the very least how it should look.

Hollis is old..he wont be here next year...this is the last year of braytons contract so i do not think he will be resigned..lewis or kemo will not be here.

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