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Peppers vs. Kuechly

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3 minutes ago, NavyPF4L said:

As of late you aren't one of those that fits the mold. 

 

We were still competitive without Pep. Luke however without him it's more of a dumpster fire

luke is unquestionably a better player but OP was talking about who's had a better career

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Just now, L-TownCat said:

To be fair it's not the importance that is in question it's more sustained excellence.

Luke - 6 seasons

Pep - 16 seasons (or close to that I can't remember)

But how many of those were with us is my point. I remember him bailing on us to become a 3-4 linebacker which in my opinion hurt his career more than helped. 

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Just now, NavyPF4L said:

But how many of those were with us is my point. I remember him bailing on us to become a 3-4 linebacker which in my opinion hurt his career more than helped. 

What? He was excellent here. He was excellent in Chicago and Green Bay. There was no "hurting his career."

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Just now, PhillyB said:

best career? it's gotta be pep by default. longevity x production

Ouch. Yeah he has had that freakish athletic ability and body frame but as for heart and instincts I give it to Luke. I love them both don't get me wrong by any means. Definitely was a bit po'd when he left but still pulled for him when he wasn't with us. 

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Just now, NavyPF4L said:

Ouch. Yeah he has had that freakish athletic ability and body frame but as for heart and instincts I give it to Luke. I love them both don't get me wrong by any means. Definitely was a bit po'd when he left but still pulled for him when he wasn't with us. 

Who are we to question his heart and instincts, two traits which cannot possibly be observed on film?

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1 minute ago, HeroesHealers2 said:

What? He was excellent here. He was excellent in Chicago and Green Bay. There was no "hurting his career."

He was excellent with green bay? I would rep him to so many gb fans and 75 percent would be like who!

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1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

Yea Peppers is top 5 all time DE atm and could easily go up to 4 and even 3 depending on how much longer he plays.....top 3.....sorry but no Cam isn't even top 3 QB atm much less all time.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_career.htm

meh, longevity trumps production with small sample sizes. if cam plays another five years at this level he'll be one of the GOATs

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Just now, PhillyB said:

meh, longevity trumps production with small sample sizes. if cam plays another five years at this level he'll be one of the GOATs

Not if we don't win a chip. He's not exactly endured to the masses or the media and without that his passing numbers def aren't touching the GOATS and he'd need 4000k yards avg for those 5 years atm to even get near there and then 30TDs too.

His rushing numbers won't be factored in much, especially if we don't win a title. He's one the most unique players ever and the best duel threat but like with Smitty a lot of what could be or have been is somewhat wasted with the staff we've had here and the philosophy. In terms of just being a Panther GOAT sure but Peppers is an all timer period not just Panther.

Fair or not Cam isn't in that conversation outside here.

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