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[Paa Langfart]

Same poo different position.  Rivera is terrible at making sure  the best guys on the roster on the field.

[RealisticPanther]

My response to this is....All that glitters isn't gold.

If CAP became premier back I think it would become obvious to us all who the better back was/is...and its stewart.

With that being said, I wouldn't mind seeing CAP getting more touches or sharing touches with J. Stew.

[Khyber53]

Got any gifs of him in pass protection?

[SCO96]

4 hours ago, JARROD said:

Our offensive line average .3 yards before initial contact, the league average is 1.8 and the top 10 average over 2.3. Look it up. Therefore if we were on the 2 yard end, then Stewart’s YPC would be 4.5-5 and no one could say anything.

CAP doesn’t suck, but no one cares when he’s in the game. He gets no attention.

once he’s the guy and all the attention is on him then you would see. The boxes and run blitzes would come and he’d be crushed.

CAP is not the beast that Stewart is, not even close.

I know guys really just want someone to blame and have the college favorites and shiny new toys to want, but few are as good as Stewart is.

our scheme and personnel just suck and are not complimentary to each other.

no one respects our receivers so everyone plays the run for Cam and Stewart and McCaffrey. The oline is decent at pass protection but about the worst in the league for run.

i wish Rivera would start CAP and give him 15 carries stubbornly just so everyone would see.

he would have initial success, again because no one would care he’s playing.

Then they would,...

The highlighted portions of your message really caught my attention. The statistics in the first paragraph are very troubling for a team that supposedly prides itself in running the football. Do you have a link where I can see who each time grades out in this aspect of the run game?

Even with Ryan out for most of the year, that's no excuse for such a poor push on the O-Line. You're right in your assessment. What we are attempting to accomplish in the run game doesn't mesh with a current starting line. They are either going to have to get better, or the scheme has got to change...or perhaps we need new players and a new scheme.

I would love to see CAP get more carries, but I agree with you about Stewart. If he had better run blocking I think he could still be an effective starting back in the NFL. CAP would have probably have a low ypc if he were getting hit in the backfield as often as Stewart.

[Mikey815]

3 hours ago, SCO96 said:

The highlighted portions of your message really caught my attention. The statistics in the first paragraph are very troubling for a team that supposedly prides itself in running the football. Do you have a link where I can see who each time grades out in this aspect of the run game?

Even with Ryan out for most of the year, that's no excuse for such a poor push on the O-Line. You're right in your assessment. What we are attempting to accomplish in the run game doesn't mesh with a current starting line. They are either going to have to get better, or the scheme has got to change...or perhaps we need new players and a new scheme.

I would love to see CAP get more carries, but I agree with you about Stewart. If he had better run blocking I think he could still be an effective starting back in the NFL. CAP would have probably have a low ypc if he were getting hit in the backfield as often as Stewart.

 

[Mikey815]

Stewart practiced today and will get his normal snaps sunday

[Darvinsun]

On 12/6/2017 at 10:56 PM, JARROD said:

Right. Haha.

seriously, if CAP starts he will run with fire and all that, but he’s slower and less powerful than Stewart. 

The other teams didn’t respect or care when he was in there.

if he was the guy, that would change and guaranteed the box gets loaded and our piss poor offense line gets him killed, doubt he makes it out of his first game.

they had this thing on sports center showing offensive line pushes and average yard before initial contact. Ours was the worst or close by far.

stewart was still getting towards the top of yards after contact.

imagine if we had a line toward the top pushing 2.6-2.8 yards before first contact and making holes like that waste land mark Ingram had to run through for his 72 yarder?

none of yaw would be saying these things.

i hope they do start CAP so these threads would come to a screeching halt. IR after one game

I love stew I really do but CAP is not weak. He is a good back that is not getting opportunities. I am not saying bench stew i want all 3bcks to play, whichever gets going 1st during the game gets more touches.Change it up some. It will also help limit some of Cams bulk carries.

[Darvinsun]

On 12/7/2017 at 12:41 PM, RealisticPanther said:

My response to this is....All that glitters isn't gold.

If CAP became premier back I think it would become obvious to us all who the better back was/is...and its stewart.

With that being said, I wouldn't mind seeing CAP getting more touches or sharing touches with J. Stew.

I have always said that we have tp establish a wr threat. That person needs to be bryd. After Cam got hit and was not  able to step into throw to bryd, that play should have been revisited and bryd targeted more. How can you establush yourself as a threat if you are not targeted.. Cam should be practing many passes to bryd in practice to get timing and body language understood. We will not get anywhere with no threat of a speed wr or dominate wr.

[JARROD]

4 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

I have always said that we have tp establish a wr threat. That person needs to be bryd. After Cam got hit and was not  able to step into throw to bryd, that play should have been revisited and bryd targeted more. How can you establush yourself as a threat if you are not targeted.. Cam should be practing many passes to bryd in practice to get timing and body language understood. We will not get anywhere with no threat of a speed wr or dominate wr.

Agreed, send the dude downtown at least 3 plays a drive. That will take a defender with him and once one connects then it will take another. Boom, at least those secondary run blockers get out of dodge.