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[Nails]

4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Not good enough for major sporting events, college playoff games...ext.ext. Hence either it will be upgraded to include more seats and a retractable roof or a new stadium complex will be built. NFL is in a stadium boom, is expect a bunch of teams with older stadiums to start and get new ones. 

The NFL Stadium era is over.  http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234573/with-6700000000-in-public-money-nfl-stadium-era-closes

The stadium we’re playing in on Sunday is in a worn out, decrepit city and broke ground 50 years ago.

FUG a new stadium with a capital F, ESPECIALLY at the expense of taxpayers.

[Happy Panther]

2 hours ago, Nails said:

The NFL Stadium era is over.  http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234573/with-6700000000-in-public-money-nfl-stadium-era-closes

The stadium we’re playing in on Sunday is in a worn out, decrepit city and broke ground 50 years ago.

FUG a new stadium with a capital F, ESPECIALLY at the expense of taxpayers.

You keep posting that article but it disproves your point. 

Have you read the whole thing?

[Nails]

10 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

You keep posting that article but it disproves your point. 

Have you read the whole thing?

I have.  And not one mention of the Panthers.  It’s truly not rocket science.  LA is out of the picture and the last team to move (Chargers) has been an unspeakable disaster so far.  Broke and inferior cities and states, fed up taxpayers, a declining product, and a perfectly good stadium in the heart of two football crazed states with 15+ million people ensure they’re not going anywhere.  

The faintest whispers of such absurd talk before the 2030 election cycle should be grounds for involuntary commitment.

[Happy Panther]

Just now, Nails said:

 

The faintest whispers of such absurd talk before the 2030 election cycle should be grounds for involuntary commitment.

Yes that is the point and I have clarified that. The owner isn't moving the team next year.

As I have stated to there is always a scenario where the Panthers leave. It is where the owner wants a new stadium and the city says pound sand. That is the scenario wherein every team has relocated. 

In fact a buyer group just came out and said we need a dome and the state needs to pay. Sound familiar?

[panthers55]

I figure the new owners realize that a new stadium would have to be built largely on public funds. Other teams who have gone the PSL route are doing it for the first time not the second. I can't see another 60000 fans paying double or triple what the PSL owners did just for the right to purchase tickets with jacked up prices. I can tell you I won't. As for comparing us to New York for example we are a small market team and New York isn't. There may be tons of rich football fans there but not in Charlotte. Plus salaries and incomes in New York/New Jersey are much higher than here. This is exactly what I was warning folks about in an earlier thread. The price for the Panthers is going to force new owners to jack up prices beyond what our economy will be able to support.

[Nails]

23 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Yes that is the point and I have clarified that. The owner isn't moving the team next year.

As I have stated to there is always a scenario where the Panthers leave. It is where the owner wants a new stadium and the city says pound sand. That is the scenario wherein every team has relocated. 

In fact a buyer group just came out and said we need a dome and the state needs to pay. Sound familiar?

They can huff and puff all they want.  Without LA and after the Chargers disaster it’d be utterly toothless.  Who is paying and where are 24 owners agreeing to move from 15+ million football fans?  Zero chance now, and probably even less than zero in the future with the Carolinas growing faster than nearly all current markets.

[Happy Panther]

2 minutes ago, Nails said:

 even less than zero in the future .

The fact that you know the political and economic climate of both the NFL and Charlotte in 15 years or so and are confident enough to state that not only the chances are 0% but...less than 0%...

 

 

[Nails]

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I figure the new owners realize that a new stadium would have to be built largely on public funds. Other teams who have gone the PSL route are doing it for the first time not the second. I can't see another 60000 fans paying double or triple what the PSL owners did just for the right to purchase tickets with jacked up prices. I can tell you I won't. As for comparing us to New York for example we are a small market team and New York isn't. There may be tons of rich football fans there but not in Charlotte. Plus salaries and incomes in New York/New Jersey are much higher than here. This is exactly what I was warning folks about in an earlier thread. The price for the Panthers is going to force new owners to jack up prices beyond what our economy will be able to support.

Then FUG ‘em.  TV ratings were down 9.7% this year after previous sharp declines.  Lawsuits, officiating, injuries, youth participation, politics, QB play, and a host of other issues, and they’d alienate the now established but still growing Carolinas market?  If so FUG ‘em with a Capital F.

[Nails]

4 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

The fact that you know the political and economic climate of both the NFL and Charlotte in 15 years or so and are confident enough to state that not only the chances are 0% but...less than 0%...

 

 

I said probably.  No, I don’t know, but as I said, the honchos that try and pull this stunt in any way, shape, or form via public funds need to be backslapped literally and figuratively by the masses.

The 2030 election cycle (If then) should be the earliest this topic should come up based on the known facts now.

[Happy Panther]

6 minutes ago, Nails said:

I said probably.

WTF does probably less than zero mean?

In any case we agree the city/state would be silly to not "pony up" funds when this all comes to a head.

[carpanfan96]

3 hours ago, Nails said:

The NFL Stadium era is over.  http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234573/with-6700000000-in-public-money-nfl-stadium-era-closes

The stadium we’re playing in on Sunday is in a worn out, decrepit city and broke ground 50 years ago.

FUG a new stadium with a capital F, ESPECIALLY at the expense of taxpayers.

Don't have to use leverage to get a stadium from a city, just dangle the super bowl, ncaa and events in its face. Then if that doesn't work the NFL has St. Louis, San Diego, London among others to use as a threat. So I'd say that the stadium era isn't quite over. It's also possible to use hotel, rental and other taxes to foot the bill like other cities do. 

[Nails]

2 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

WTF does probably less than zero mean?

In any case we agree the city/state would be silly to not "pony up" funds when this all comes to a head.

It’s a figure of speech based on common sense and the facts.  This isn’t Minnesota with a measly 5 million people, where a cheap (older than BOA) dump Metrodome roof collapsed due to snow causing severe liability and the LA threat was real.  THAT is a situation that came “to a head”.

There is zero sane coming to a head scenario for the Carolinas in the foreseeable future.  To suggest otherwise is an insult to the intelligence of taxpayers.

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, Nails said:

It’s a figure of speech based on common sense and the facts.  This isn’t Minnesota with a measly 5 million people, where a cheap (older than BOA) dump Metrodome roof collapsed due to snow causing severe liability and the LA threat was real.  THAT is a situation that came “to a head”.

There is zero sane coming to a head scenario for the Carolinas in the foreseeable future.  To suggest otherwise is an insult to the intelligence of taxpayers.

No it's a probable chance actually, hence why I said the NFL isn't out of its stadium bit. They want Buffalo to fund a new stadium there. 

 

The Raider vote was a bit of a threat to all NFL cities, play ball with us and do what we want or get out of the way. NFL is using Toronto in this situation. 

So, New owners buy in and they want a some stadium with the chance at events and a super bowl and to make the value of the team go up to what they paid for it. Makes complete business sense, if I was in position to buy them I'd do the same thing and I'm a fan because buying the team is an investment and you want return on that investment. 

[Nails]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Don't have to use leverage to get a stadium from a city, just dangle the super bowl, ncaa and events in its face. Then if that doesn't work the NFL has St. Louis, San Diego, London among others to use as a threat. So I'd say that the stadium era isn't quite over. It's also possible to use hotel, rental and other taxes to foot the bill like other cities do. 

Hardy har har.  3 teams in Southern California and San Diego publicly financing one at this point?  A joke.

Threatening the 15+ million people in Carolinas with a declining baseball city whose state already has a team, and where (Ferguson) the BLM movement came into national consciousness?  A bigger joke.

Leaving the 15+ million AMERICAN football fans and 6th busiest airport where 60% of the US population lives within a 2 hour or less flight for LHR?  The biggest joke.