Panthers met with Josh Allen

[KillerKat]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

lmfao. God people like you are insufferable when trying to construe a narrative that Cam Newton isn't a good passer or QB.

You should've seen P55 during the Delhomme era. Always defended the coaches. Always defended Delhomme. Always thought he was right. Always righteous. 

It's funny how he always came to Delhomme's defense about everything, but suddenly is "realistic" about Cam Newton and calls out his flaws.

[KillerKat]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I am interested to see who we bring in for the backup QB position. We can easily improve that spot in FA.

Considering our needs, if we draft one I might break something.

Brissett would've been perfect.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

lmfao. God people like you are insufferable when trying to construe a narrative that Cam Newton isn't a good passer or QB.

No one said that he wasn't a good passer or QB. He does some things that no one else can do in the league. He might have the most talent and ability of any QB in the league. I said he wasn't elite because he isn't consistent enough to produce the same results week in and out. Sure every quarterback has up and down days but Cam can be so good like he was in New Orleans and then historically bad against Atlanta the week before. Until he fixes his mechanics, changes his tendencies and learns to play with more urgency in the huddle and at the line he is going to struggle. He struggles because he is an individualist and cuts his own swath. He revels in being unconventional. But those same traits negatively impact your ability to be disciplined paying attention to the details and not free lancing or trying to make a play that has a lower chance of success. He doesn't like conforming and playing it safe.  I could go on but won't make you suffer any longer. 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

But his mechanics are poor and he makes lots of mistakes reading coverages and fails to take what the defense is giving him.

'can't read a defense. isn't a smart qb.'

'can't read a defense. can't go through progressions or play like a pocket qb'

cam newton literally looking off defenders and going through progressions 

'cam's bad at passing'

 

[panthers55]

31 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

dear christ.

this is literally the dumbest thing i've ever read. this is why cam newton really needs to find a new team with a fanbase that accepts him and a coaching staff willing to actually let him shine.

can't wait for people like you to cry about not making the playoffs when cam moves on to a better team and when everyone realizes how poo cam's supporting cast has been all his career and how he's been taking a 1-15 caliber team to the playoffs year after year.

cam newton literally carried a one-armed funchess, a 6th rounder, and a whole host of UDFAs to the playoffs this year and almost won them a playoff game single-handedly. to simply try and put blame on arguably one of this generation's most talented QBs is laughable and shows your complete ignorance.

 

Try and reign in the drama queen diatribe.  If you put as much thought into these posts as you do the panther analyses you wouldn't sound as if you are Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde much of the time. Stick with what I said and stop making it up. No one said it was anyone's fault.  I was simply pointing out the reality of the NFL which is Not For Long. Cam is too inconsistent and Norv and Scott we're brought in to fix the offense and fix Cam. Cam has to evolve as a quarterback just  like the offense has to evolve. Cam is by far the single most highest paid guy on the team and it wouldn't be just my opinion as a pocket passer he isn't worth 25 million a year as he approaches 33 on a new contract and can't run like he did this year.  So he has to become more of a pocket passer and right now he isn't a top 10 pocket passer. Why can't people be honest here and see it more realistically. Cam gets criticism because his ceiling is so high that he is expected to do more because he has so much talent and ability. As he said himself, to who much is given, much will be required.

[KendrickPanther]

I would meet with every QB in the draft if I could, especially if it wasn't counted as an official visit. QBs run the league. You need to know who might draft them. You need to know their strengths and weaknesses. You might be playing against them or scouting against them or coaching them 3 years from now. It only makes sense to get to know the next batch of QBs... so you can draft them or beat them.

[Saca312]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So he has to become more of a pocket passer and right now he isn't a top 10 pocket passer.

Name those 10 QBs you’d take over Cam.

[panthers55]

22 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

'can't read a defense. isn't a smart qb.'

'can't read a defense. can't go through progressions or play like a pocket qb'

cam newton literally looking off defenders and going through progressions 

'cam's bad at passing'

 

None of what you posted actually follows your comments. And again stick to what I said. No one said he can't read defenses, isn't smart or can't go through progressions. Did you read Norv's comments about how to fix Cam? I did and some of what I am saying is the same stuff he said. Cam struggles to quickly read defenses and get the ball out. He holds the ball and tries to make plays because of his rocket arm and the confidence he has in it. And again could go on but honestly I want a discussion not a smack contest. At least you tried to use stats to prove your point but passing yardage doesn't prove anything and your little video while cute has nothing to do with his being consistent or having poor mechanics. Let's stick to the discussion and stop morphing things into something that wasn't said.

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Cam struggles to quickly read defenses and get the ball out. He holds the ball and tries to make plays because of his rocket arm and the confidence he has in it.

time for me to get exact quotes and add context to words you have misrepresented.

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Cam struggles to quickly read defenses and get the ball out.

Norv quote - 

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So I think there's some technique things that we'll zero in on with Cam, and there will be a major emphasis on the details of the route running, the style of routes and do things where we can do as much to help Cam and help him get the ball out quicker.

sounds more like Norv is talking about the lack of talent contributing to the fact he takes longer to get the ball out. Norv never said Cam can't read a defense, so that line is false.

next up

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He holds the ball and tries to make plays because of his rocket arm and the confidence he has in it.

norv quote - 

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I think Cam has great confidence in his arm, and sometimes he holds onto the ball to keep a play alive, and there isn’t a lot of room to step up so you have to throw it that way sometimes

conveniently left out 'keep a play alive' and 'there isn't a lot of room to step up so you have to throw it that way sometimes.'

that means the play doesn't work, the receivers aren't getting open because of poor route running, or cam doesn't have enough room to throw.

none of that is on cam.

and to further emphasize that norv has been praising cam and literally laughs at all these criticisms of cam - 

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I don’t know who you’re talking about in terms of who might be criticizing him because having been in as many NFL organizations I’ve been in, I’ve been with some really talented players that are criticized by somebody.

please.

[panthers55]

37 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Name those 10 QBs you’d take over Cam.

Once again I didn't say I would take anyone over Cam. I said he wasn't a top 10 passing quarterback right now. His quarterback rating which is the best measure of a passing quarterback was 18th among quarterbacks. Hence the comment about he wasn't a top 10 passing quarterback. And remember I said at 33 if he doesn't improve as a pocket passer he won't be worth 25 million when he can't run anymore. Again stop making stuff up.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, ThPantherFan said:

Don't understand.

Still wondering?

[Saca312]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Once again I didn't say I would take anyone over Cam. I said he wasn't a top 10 passing quarterback right now. His quarterback rating which is the best measure of a passing quarterbacwas 18th among quarterbacks. Hence the comment about he wasn't a top 10 passing quarterback. And remember I said at 33 if he doesn't improve as a 0ocket passer he won't be worth 25 million when he can't run anymore. Again stop making stuff up.

i clearly meant it in the context of the fact he's not a supposed top 10 passing qb.

again, name me those 10 quarterbacks better at passing than cam.

[pantherphan96]

If we didnt have some many other areas of need I wouldnt mind us taking a flyer on a solid backup in the 4th/5th round

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

i clearly meant it in the context of the fact he's not a supposed top 10 passing qb.

again, name me those 10 quarterbacks better at passing than cam.

I told you as a pocket passer he is 18th in the league in 2017. So obviously you can pick 10 of your choice and argue as much as you want but the numbers are the numbers.  Cam right now is great as a dual threat quarterback not at a pocket passer. It really is pretty obvious to those with even a modicum of objectivity.