David Newton talks about Tina Becker and the GM search

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Jimmy Raye 3 please.

please.

Please.

PLEASE!

Please?

Please.

Please.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please

Seconded, thirded, fourthed and whatever else it takes.

He's got a proven record and plenty of experience. He deserves the job.

I could get on board with Lake Dawson or Ryan Cowden also, but I really do believe Raye is the best choice.

[AppHeel]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brazzers?

Do I wanna know?

Lol let's just say that during training camp it was discovered that David Newton had several suggestive tweets in his likes from a certain adult media company. It was pretty funny and he got roasted for it pretty badly.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, AppHeel said:

Lol let's just say that during training camp it was discovered that David Newton had several suggestive tweets in his likes from a certain adult media company. It was pretty funny and he got roasted for it pretty badly.

Ah.  Ouch.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not convoluted at all. You're trying to make it that way in an effort to muddy the waters, but it really isn't.

- We were losing (1-5 if I remember right)

- Because we were losing, Richardson wanted to fire Rivera

- Because he didn't want to see Rivera get fired, but realizing that somebody needed to be held publicly accountable, Hurney volunteered to take the axe instead

- Richardson didn't really want to let Marty go, but ultimately agreed to his request

Nothing whatsoever convoluted about that. It's simple, believable and very easy to understand.

Let's give the flip side. So we we're 1-5 and Richardson isn't happy. He never fires  a coach midseason in almost 20 years but now he is going to make an exception. So he goes to his best bud Hurney and says I going to fire Rivera and Hurney says no fire me after 13 years with the organization and don't call it a resignation.  Because I would rather be called incompetent instead of a quitter. And instead of waiting until the end of the season let's do it right now since someone has to go. And if you fire me and hire a new GM neither you as the owner or the GM can fire Rivera even after I am gone even though I have no control over what happens in the future because I love the Panthers so much I would rather be fired than see Rivera go.

I can persuade you not to fire Rivera but can't persuade you to not do anything until the end of the season.

So Richardson is so moved by this he changes his mind about Rivera even though we still finish the season at 7-9 but go 6-4 in the last 10 games. So he then hires Gettleman and takes a total hands off policy after meddling with Rivera and Hurney several months earlier.

And to my knowledge nothing like this has ever happened in the league before. 

 

[AceBoogie]

Please just go be a giants fan.

[panthers55]

30 minutes ago, Professor Chaos said:

I remember chatter back then of Hurney essentially being a scapegoat. People forget that there was SUPER BOWL EXPECTATIONS for that team. Ryan Kalil took out an ad saying that the Panthers were going to the promised land, and most fans at the least expected playoffs. 

 

I'm still really split on Hurney. On one hand, he's given the franchise pretty much all of its iconic players. On the other he's responsible for some of its biggest flubs. I still think that he's a pretty damn good drafter when he doesn't get cute and start trading.

After going 2-14 in 2010 and 6-10 in 2011,  I don't remember everyone thinking playoffs. I remember thinking a winning season would be great but we finished 7-9 on an upswing in  2012. So I wanted a winning  season in 2013 and we surpassed that going 12-4 in 2013.  I remember thinking having back to back winning seasons would be awesome but we finished 7-8-1. After 2015 the ante went up and now it is Superbowl or bust.....

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Let's give the flip side. So we we're 1-5 and Richardson isn't happy. He never fires  a coach midseason in almost 20 years but now he is going to make an exception. So he goes to his best bud Hurney and says I going to fire Rivera and Hurney says no fire me after 13 years with the organization and don't call it a resignation.  Because I would rather be called incompetent instead of a quitter. And instead of waiting until the end of the season let's do it right now since someone has to go. And if you fire me and hire a new GM neither you as the owner or the GM can fire Rivera even after I am gone even though I have no control over what happens in the future because I love the Panthers so much I would rather be fired than see Rivera go.

I can persuade you not to fire Rivera but can't persuade you to not do anything until the end of the season.

So Richardson is so moved by this he changes his mind about Rivera even though we still finish the season at 7-9 but go 6-4 in the last 10 games. So he then hires Gettleman and takes a total hands off policy after meddling with Rivera and Hurney several months earlier.

And to my knowledge nothing like this has ever happened in the league before.

I don't know if it's happened in the league before.  I don't honestly care.

I know two different reporters, including one who actually works for the organization, reported that it happened here.

If the question is between who's more credible between their information or your increasingly wilder ranting, there's no contest. Feel free to scream at the sky that it never happened.  That'll be just as effective as what you're doing here.

Bottom Line: They have access.  You don't.  And these crazy spins you're attempting to make to say something didn't happen when they say it did are just plain embarrassing at this point.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

After going 2-14 in 2010 and 6-10 in 2011,  I don't remember everyone thinking playoffs. I remember thinking a winning season would be great but we finished 7-9 on an upswing in  2012. So I wanted a winning  season in 2013 and we surpassed that going 12-4 in 2013.  I remember thinking having back to back winning seasons would be awesome but we finished 7-8-1. After 2015 the ante went up and now it is Superbowl or bust.....

Ryan Kalil buys ad promising Super Bowl (July 2012)

The poster you quoted also mentioned that, but you respond that you don't remember people thinking playoffs.

Also, 2-14 happened under Fox.  Rivera took over the following season, and 2012 was his second year, also Newton's second.  Between Newton and Rivera, lots of folks were very optimistic.

You seem to have a notion that if you don't remember it or you don't believe it, then it didn't happen no matter what anyone else says.  Hence why you think we should listen to you over people with actual inside access.

Basically, you can believe what you wanna believe.  The rest of us have other sources we'd rather go by.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know if it's happened in the league before.  I don't honestly care.

I know two different reporters, including one who actually works for the organization, reported that it happened here.

If the question is between who's more credible between their information or your increasingly wilder ranting, there's no contest. Feel free to scream at the sky that it never happened.  That'll be just as effective as what you're doing here.

Bottom Line: They have access.  You don't.  And these crazy spins you're attempting to make to say something didn't happen when they say it did are just plain embarrassing at this point.

Again those two reporters didn't work for the Panthers. So if Voth said it why can't you find it? Maybe after he started working for the Panthers he sanitized everything he said bad about the Panthers. Or maybe they hired him thinking they could control him better on the inside then they could on the outside. And suddenly Newton who you routinely ridicule suddenly is a knowledgeable source if he agrees with you. Until I hear it from Voth who knows works for the organization and would know you seem to be the one who is spinning and wearing tin hats. I always thought that when you spin things like this which wasn't was publically said at the time, the burden of proof was on you to prove not for people to disprove it. So far I have read  innuendo and rumor but no facts. Then again if you say it over and over maybe folks will accept it. After all it works in Washington. And folks love dirt and conspiracy theories. So carry on.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Again those two reporters didn't work for the Panthers. So if Voth said it why can't you find it? Maybe after he started working for the Panthers he sanitized everything he said bad about the Panthers. Or maybe they hired him thinking they could control him better on the inside then they could on the outside. And suddenly Newton who you routinely ridicule suddenly is a knowledgeable source if he agrees with you. Until I hear it from Voth who knows works for the organization and would know you seem to be the one who is spinning and wearing tin hats. I always thought that when you spin things like this which wasn't was publically said at the time, the burden of proof was on you to prove not for people to disprove it. So far I have read  innuendo and rumor but no facts. Then again if you say it over and over maybe folks will accept it. After all it works in Washington. And folks love dirt and conspiracy theories. So carry on.

Voth's report was only posted a few weeks ago, at which time he obviously was working for the Panthers. 

And as you can see just by looking back within this thread, I'm not the only one who saw it.  Likewise, Newton isn't agreeing with me, he's agreeing with Voth.  And as mentioned, regardless of how you feel about his football knowledge (which is why people criticize him) he does have actual access to the team.

You don't.

Bottom Line, dude: You're not arguing with me.  You want everybody to believe you over Voth and Newton.  That's just not realistic.  Even if it's only Newton, sorry but you still lose.

Frankly, I think it takes an awful lot of ego to think you should be believed over guys with actual inside access.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ryan Kalil buys ad promising Super Bowl (July 2012)

The poster you quoted also mentioned that, but you respond that you don't remember people thinking playoffs.

Also, 2-14 happened under Fox.  Rivera took over the following season, and 2012 was his second year, also Newton's second.  Between Newton and Rivera, lots of folks were very optimistic.

You seem to have a notion that if you don't remember it or you don't believe it, then it didn't happen no matter what anyone else says.  Hence why you think we should listen to you over people with actual inside access.

Basically, you can believe what you wanna believe.  The rest of us have other sources we'd rather go by.

Again I know Kalil said it, I read it. But I also remember many folks saying he was crazy and thought he shouldn't have said it. I was optimistic but didn't think playoffs I thought winning seasons I wasn't alone.

Seems you get salty whenever anyone questions you or makes an opinion with disagrees with you. Sorry if I think insider unnamed sources aren't credible until it is confirmed by someone who is willing to put their name to it (the source not the reporter). Otherwise their is no accountability and you can say anything you want with no repercussions. There are sources and there are credible sources. Then there are the ones you believe and those you don't based on your preconceived notions. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again I know Kalil said it, I read it. But I also remember many folks saying he was crazy and thought he shouldn't have said it. I was optimistic but didn't think playoffs I thought winning seasons I wasn't alone.

Seems you get salty whenever anyone questions you or makes an opinion with disagrees with you. Sorry if I think insider unnamed sources aren't credible until it is confirmed by someone who is willing to put their name to it (the source not the reporter). Otherwise their is no accountability and you can say anything you want with no repercussions. There are sources and there are credible sources. Then there are the ones you believe and those you don't based on your preconceived notions. 

Again dude, it's not insider unnamed sources.  Voth and Newton said it themselves.  They didn't cite anybody else.

Salty?  Nah.  I'm basically just sitting here watching you blow a gasket because people would rather believe reporters than you.

Frankly, it's gotten kinda weird.

[panthers55]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again dude, it's not insider unnamed sources.  Voth and Newton said it themselves.  They didn't cite anybody else.

Salty?  Nah.  I'm basically just sitting here watching you blow a gasket because people would rather believe reporters than you.

Frankly, it's gotten kinda weird.

Reporters are not inside sources they are reporters outside the organization who talk and get info from insiders who work there. Who are these supposed insiders who told them this at the time. And again I already said if Voth who is an insider now says it happened and he reported it a few weeks ago please share it. Newton sometimes knows stuff and other times doesn't. 

We could have saved pages of back and forth if you linked an article from a few weeks ago saying Hurney asked to be fired to save Rivera. I reread this whole thread and saw nothing from him.  The weird thing would be if this story is true. Honestly in 62 years I have not heard of any other GM ever doing that. 

And honestly I don't blow gaskets I treat people who do. I get my news from others just like you. But when I hear an unsubstantiated story which defies common sense and logic I am skeptical.  Sorry if that puts the burden on you were it belongs. I wasn't the one who said it you were. I google searched for an article to that effect from Voth and didn't find it. Maybe you had better luck.

[Paa Langfart]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fair point.

I don't really think anybody in the organization wants her in front of a camera and a microphone though. At least that's what I've heard from some folks that used to work there.

Why is that ?  Does she fit the common ditzy cheerleader stereotype or is it something else ?