Tepper NOT out

[CatMan72]

2 hours ago, Woodie said:

No, Tepper had nothing to do with running the Steelers, and nobody is saying he did.  What is true is that he was informed of all significant decisions related to the Steelers.  He also was able to see how the organization was run and had a relationship with the primary owners, so had, at minimum, a base knowledge of their philosophies and thought processes on how to keep the team successful.  He also likely had relationships with many other decision makers within the organization, so again, has some knowledge of what they did to maintain a successful franchise.

Bottom line, while he didn't make any decisions, he saw intimately how the organization was run, and has a solid understanding of how to run an NFL team.  That something no other bidder can claim.

Right, just like Haslam and that hasn't translated into success.

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, Gucceland said:

It all really depends on when the other 2 or 3 teams go up for sale.  Obviously, the NFL and Owners will want to stagger the sale of the other teams and make sure none are competing with each other.  I guess you're correct in assuming the sale price for the Panther's will dictate the rest of the market, as long as the market stays unsaturated and the product value doesn't go down.  I do not believe the NFL can handle many more protest season like this one and maintain it's market share, so who knows,  maybe the NFL bubble bursts or maybe not.

 

While I see the NFL staying very profitable for quite some time still, I do think it's at it's peak.  So that could effect future purchases.  Hard to say though.  There is so much interest in the NFL that it's hard to predict how long the bubble will last.  

This is also one reason I think Tepper is hesitant to go as high as Navarro is.  Tepper likes to buy low, and sell high.  But whomever buys the Panthers will definitely be buying high.  So, it kind of goes against Tepper's M.O., which plays into Mr. Scot's idea that maybe the league is nudging Tepper to up his offer.

[CatMan72]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not sure why anyone is bothering with saying Tepper has nothing to do with running the team. Nobody suggested he runs the Steelers.

He has, however, been part of the Steelers for nine years. That would be ample time for him to have become familiar with what's involved in running a team and the methods and philosophies the team employs. Also to identify people he might want to work with should he acquire his own team.

Mind you, despite his insistence that he's still in the fray, I don't believe Tepper is going to win so it won't matter.

All depends on how involved he has been and it's not safe to assume any level of involement based on a 5% ownership stake. I only mention it because I keep hearing how his Steelers ownership experience makes him more qualified and I think that's kinda silly.

Navarro or any other owner can hire a team president who has intimate knowledge of how the business of the NFL and successful franchises work.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

While I see the NFL staying very profitable for quite some time still, I do think it's at it's peak.  So that could effect future purchases.  Hard to say though.  There is so much interest in the NFL that it's hard to predict how long the bubble will last.  

This is also one reason I think Tepper is hesitant to go as high as Navarro is.  Tepper likes to buy low, and sell high.  But whomever buys the Panthers will definitely be buying high.  So, it kind of goes against Tepper's M.O., which plays into Mr. Scot's idea that maybe the league is nudging Tepper to up his offer.

On his own, I just don't think Tepper wants it as bad as Navarro. 

That's another reason I'm kind of annoyed at the thought of the NFL pulling strings, honestly. 

The man wants to buy the team.  Let him do it.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CatMan72 said:

All depends on how involved he has been and it's not safe to assume any level of involement based on a 5% ownership stake. I only mention it because I keep hearing how his Steelers ownership experience makes him more qualified and I think that's kinda silly.

Navarro or any other owner can hire a team president who has intimate knowledge of how the business of the NFL and successful franchises work.

And my hope is that they do, but Tepper has seen it directly in a way none of the others have.

It doesn't mean he's the best choice, but yeah, it's an advantage.

(the NFL backing you is an advantage too)

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

Right, just like Haslam and that hasn't translated into success.

Can't speak for Haslam since I paid absolutely zero attention when he bought the Browns.  I don't even know how long he owned a part of the Steelers.  What I do know is that Tepper has owned a chunk of the team since 2009, so has been able to observe the team and has knowledge of their inner workings for 9 years.  I also know that Tepper is a very smart businessman that does his due diligence before making any decision, so would not go into this blindly without talking to people with insight and experience (that he already has a pre-existing relationship with). 

So, it would be ludicrous to think he gained almost no fundamental understanding of how the team does business.  And that in itself, gives him a huge leg up on all the other bidders that have a combined total of zero experience with the inner workings of an NFL team.  

[Woodie]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

On his own, I just don't think Tepper wants it as bad as Navarro. 

That's another reason I'm kind of annoyed at the thought of the NFL pulling strings, honestly. 

The man wants to buy the team.  Let him do it.

I agree.  I'd hate to see a guy that really wants the team lose out because they want a guy with deeper pockets and a history of successful negotiating.

While I think the NFL likes the idea of an insider like Tepper buying in, I really think the biggest reason they want him is because they are anticipating a difficult time in the next CBA negotiations.  And Tepper would give them a huge weapon in those negotiations.  After all, he'd likely step in the door as the most successful negotiator in the NFL.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I agree.  I'd hate to see a guy that really wants the team lose out because they want a guy with deeper pockets and a history of successful negotiating.

While I think the NFL likes the idea of an insider like Tepper buying in, I really think the biggest reason they want him is because they are anticipating a difficult time in the next CBA negotiations.  And Tepper would give them a huge weapon in those negotiations.  After all, he'd likely step in the door as the most successful negotiator in the NFL.

I'd argue with them that he could play that role whether he owns the Panthers or not.

Again, nothing against Tepper.  I just don't like the situation.

[Woodie]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd argue with them that he could play that role whether he owns the Panthers or not.

Again, nothing against Tepper.  I just don't like the situation.

He could, I just don't think he would have the same incentive to halt his life while those negotiations take place. 

And I agree, I don't like the situation.  But I also realize, that we are making some assumptions too.  As far as we know, the league may not need to push him.  Maybe he wants it as bad as Navarro, but he's just better at hiding his interest as to not show his hand.  No matter what happens, I just want someone that wants the team, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to make it a perennial winner.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

He could, I just don't think he would have the same incentive to halt his life while those negotiations take place. 

And I agree, I don't like the situation.  But I also realize, that we are making some assumptions too.  As far as we know, the league may not need to push him.  Maybe he wants it as bad as Navarro, but he's just better at hiding his interest as to not show his hand.  No matter what happens, I just want someone that wants the team, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to make it a perennial winner.

Possible.

I'd add that I don't really believe the league has as big an issue with Navarro's business dealings as some people think.

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possible.

I'd add that I don't really believe the league has as big an issue with Navarro's business dealings as some people think.

I agree.  I think it's more of them wanting Tepper, than anything against Navarro.  And to be honest, I'm sure most of these owners have some sort of investment in some undesirable businesses.

[t96]

For all we know JR may rather sell it to Navarro for $2.6B even if Tepper was offering $3.0B... Other NFL owners can say all they want to try to convince him but if JR wants to sell it to a local (which I'm quite sure he does) then he's going to sell it to a local. Add in the fact that Navarro really is the highest bidder by a considerable amount, and it's all but done. Navarro will be the new owner.