Whip em out, boys. Fluff piece on the Panthers from MMQB

[Woodie]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not to be that guy, but I think you know that's a style / personality mix that could also go horribly wrong.

I don't believe it will, but I have to acknowledge the possibility.

It could be, but to me, Norv has the perfect balance of being a players coach and task master.  Just look at what pretty much all of his former players say about him.  They all love, respect, and talk very highly of him.  Yet, he pushed each of them hard, but in the end it was worth it because the results show up on the field. 

I also think Cam genuinely wants to improve, and is open to coaching.  He just wants to keep running as part of his game because he knows that's what sets him apart, which I think Norv will do...albeit under more controlled and protected situations. 

So, I think this could be the best thing to happen for Cam.  And I truly think he will embrace the experience and knowledge that Norv will impart to him.  I honestly believe that we could see Cam's best season yet. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Woodie said:

It could be, but to me, Norv has the perfect balance of being a players coach and task master.  Just look at what pretty much all of his former players say about him.  They all love, respect, and talk very highly of him.  Yet, he pushed each of them hard, but in the end it was worth it because the results show up on the field. 

I also think Cam genuinely wants to improve, and is open to coaching.  He just wants to keep running as part of his game because he knows that's what sets him apart, which I think Norv will do...albeit under more controlled and protected situations. 

So, I think this could be the best thing to happen for Cam.  And I truly think he will embrace the experience and knowledge that Norv will impart to him.  I honestly believe that we could see Cam's best season yet.

All indications so far are that Newton's doing well with it, so I'm hoping for the best also.

[Woodie]

58 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It will be interesting to see how Cam manages having a tougher taskmaster as OC. Hopefully he buys in and the offense flourishes rather than Cam digging in his heels and becoming passive aggressive. On the other hand Norv isn't known for his flexibility and compromise. When he and Zimmerman couldn't agree on the offense Turner bailed because he and Zimmerman are both strong personalities who didn't or wouldn't change.

I really don't see Cam digging his heels in or being passive aggressive, or disruptive in any way.  I just don't think that's the way he works.  To me, he's always seemed open to coaching and improving, but I'm not sure Shula nor Dorsey ever truly had his respect as high-level, knowledgeable coaches. 

I think he liked them and had basic respect for them, but tended to believe in himself more than what they tried to instill in him.  But I think it will be different with Norv.  He has the type of background and history of success that will earn Cam's respect in ways Shula and Dorsey never could.  And as he sees the success on the field, he'll buy in even more...of course, things could go south if the season doesn't go the way we all hope and expect it to go.  But barring injury, I would be really shocked if we don't see significant offensive improvement this year.

 

[Woodie]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Person also mentioned it, for one.

Not to be argumentative, but Joe isn't known for having the best sources within the organization.  But even so, it's the same situation as with Voth, it certainly wasn't a first hand report by someone in the room, so by the time his source heard about it, the story quite possible slightly different than what was really said.

[pantherking15]

15 hours ago, Snake said:

That's if Rivera gives him a chance. 

I think people are reading too much into Rivera listing Silatolu as the starter. I think he wants Moton to know he's the backup right now and he needs to work really hard and excel in the offseason if he wants to win the starting spot.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Not to be argumentative, but Joe isn't known for having the best sources within the organization.  But even so, it's the same situation as with Voth, it certainly wasn't a first hand report by someone in the room, so by the time his source heard about it, the story quite possible slightly different than what was really said.

To be fair, you could discount just about anything that's ever been written about the Panthers using that logic.

Voth, Person, Rodrigue and others have more access than any of us.

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

It will be interesting to see how Cam manages having a tougher taskmaster as OC. Hopefully he buys in and the offense flourishes rather than Cam digging in his heels and becoming passive aggressive. On the other hand Norv isn't known for his flexibility and compromise. When he and Zimmerman couldn't agree on the offense Turner bailed because he and Zimmerman are both strong personalities who didn't or wouldn't change.

Nothing about Norv and his interactions with QBs over the years suggest he is a taskmaster. They all seem to love his approach to the game and approach to teaching it.

[panthers55]

38 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I really don't see Cam digging his heels in or being passive aggressive, or disruptive in any way.  I just don't think that's the way he works.  To me, he's always seemed open to coaching and improving, but I'm not sure Shula nor Dorsey ever truly had his respect as high-level, knowledgeable coaches. 

I think he liked them and had basic respect for them, but tended to believe in himself more than what they tried to instill in him.  But I think it will be different with Norv.  He has the type of background and history of success that will earn Cam's respect in ways Shula and Dorsey never could.  And as he sees the success on the field, he'll buy in even more...of course, things could go south if the season doesn't go the way we all hope and expect it to go.  But barring injury, I would be really shocked if we don't see significant offensive improvement this year.

 

I think anyone who is a Panthers fan hopes this is a fantastic relationship and it gets Cam another MVP and us a Super Bowl. I know that if Turner didn't think he could work with this offense and make Cam better, he sure wouldn't have gotten back in coaching here.

[Woodie]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, you could discount just about anything that's ever been written about the Panthers using that logic.

Voth, Person, Rodrigue and others have more access than any of us.

True, but you can't just blindly take what they say as absolute fact.  Unless it's a direct source, sources rarely have complete info.  And in this case, it's high level coaching decisions.  There aren't many people involved with those discussions, so getting factual info from people down the phone line is much less reliable.  

Sure, they know more than we do, but they don't know everything.  Heck, just look at last year's draft.  We have two members here with known access, Igo and RoringRiot.  Igo said Fournette was who the team really wanted, but Riot said it was CMC.  Both have legit sources within the organization, but each got completely different info on the same topic.  If only one of them was on the Huddle, then whatever they said would be taken as gospel, but we know it's not that clear because we have a different perspective. 

So, even if the gist that Gettleman talked about firing Shula, and Rivera was against it is true, the interpretation may off.  For example (this is purely made up to make a point), what if during a conversation about how to improve the offense G-man asked if making a change at OC is something they should consider, and Rivera gave reasons why he didn't think it was the right move at that time and Dave ultimately agreed.  That's the type of thing that could be interpreted by some that heard it 2nd or 3rd hand as Gettleman wanting to fire Shula and Rivera fighting to keep him...despite the fact that it was only brought up as one of many points of discussion, not an actual desired move by Dave.  Context is important in these things, and that's often missed in these types of reports, especially on twitter.

[panthers55]

39 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Nothing about Norv and his interactions with QBs over the years suggest he is a taskmaster. They all seem to love his approach to the game and approach to teaching it.

Don't know that everyone agrees. I don't think the Vikings are very high on Norv and think he did a great job there. He and Zimmerman clearly disagreed about style and scheme and when they couldn't agree Norv walked.  I wonder how the Vikings quarterbacks felt about Norv.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-vikings-farmer-20161103-story.html

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/02/relationship-of-sam-bradford-and-pat-shurmur-is-in-a-good-place-for-vikings/
 

It doesn't say Bradford didn't like Norv simply he liked Shurmur more. But clearly not an endorsement of Norv.

[NOVA_Panthers85]

Oh man I cannot wait to see check downs to McCaffery and Armah. Just give them the ball and let them get the yards for you Cam. I imagine they are working on Cams touch/short range accuracy, the weakest part of his game. This is going to be a fun season! 

[Moo Daeng]

16 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Don't know that everyone agrees. I don't think the Vikings are very high on Norv and think he did a great job there. He and Zimmerman clearly disagreed about style and scheme and when they couldn't agree Norv walked.  I wonder how the Vikings quarterbacks felt about Norv.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-vikings-farmer-20161103-story.html

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/02/relationship-of-sam-bradford-and-pat-shurmur-is-in-a-good-place-for-vikings/
 

It doesn't say Bradford didn't like Norv simply he liked Shurmur more. But clearly not an endorsement of Norv.

Well that's a different subject. Nobody is claiming he had success everywhere he went. The vikings were a bad fit. They are and should be WCO with the QBs they have had.  I'm hoping Newton's approach is more in tune with the greats that Turner has worked with and is  similar to the JAGs like Bradford and Bridgewater. 

[panthers55]

53 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Well that's a different subject. Nobody is claiming he had success everywhere he went. The vikings were a bad fit. They are and should be WCO with the QBs they have had.  I'm hoping Newton's approach is more in tune with the greats that Turner has worked with and is  similar to the JAGs like Bradford and Bridgewater. 

It isn't different. You suggested that every quarterback who worked with Turner loved and respected him. I pointed out he left the Vikings abruptly after a disagreement with the coach over strategy and scheme and pointed out the starting QB at the time preferred Shurmur to Norv and what Shurmur did. Again he didn't throw Turner under the bus but didn't have anything to say great either. Maybe it was the back to back 10 point offensive efforts before Norv quit on them