Rapoport on Panthers backup QB

[Woodie]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Mobility doesn't mean much if the guy follows up escaping pressure by throwing a bad pass.

Gilbert was definitely the better passer of the two.

Not really.  The only thing Gilbert had on Heinicke as a passer was a stronger arm.  not really a fan of either though.  Really hope we bring someone else in. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Not really.  The only thing Gilbert had on Heinicke as a passer was a stronger arm.  not really a fan of either though.  Really hope we bring someone else in. 

Gilbert was way better at ball placement.

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gilbert was way better at ball placement.

Maybe when things are perfect, but how often does that happen?  Especially with this OL.  But even then, I think their placement is pretty similar.

Doesn't really matter though since I don't think either are NFL quality QB's (maybe 3rd string, at best).  The most we could hope for is they could come in and hand the ball off, but I wouldn't trust either to actually lead the team if Cam goes down...even if it's just for a short time.

[WarPanthers89]

Who cares? We do not have any tackles on the team. Backup QB needs to be a track superstar to run away from the D linemen if Cam goes down. We may need to pull a Dan Henning move like the game against Atlanta years ago and just run the wildcat 95 percent of the plays to pull out a win 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Woodie said:

Maybe when things are perfect, but how often does that happen?  Especially with this OL.  But even then, I think their placement is pretty similar.

Doesn't really matter though since I don't think either are NFL quality QB's (maybe 3rd string, at best).  The most we could hope for is they could come in and hand the ball off, but I wouldn't trust either to actually lead the team if Cam goes down...even if it's just for a short time.

Happens enough in preseason to be noticeable.

I do agree that we don't have much hope if Newton goes down, though on that front I feel a lot better with Turner at OC than I did with Shula. Turner can make better adjustments.

[NorthTryon]

24 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Limited time? Heinicke played nearly the whole first half. Gilbert got like two series. He’s the one with limited time and he only had a turnover this preseason because was strip-sacked thanks to Blaine Causell. I’d love to know how that constitutes “really struggling,” though. He had a dump-off that was an early give-up on a third down. That’s about the only negative I saw. Heinicke continued showing off his pocket mobility but he also badly, badly missed on several throws.

If you’re gonna ask me to be better, hold yourself to the same standard. 

Gilbert had plenty of time to show he holds the ball too long and misses on throws.  Its as simple as 7 points to 3 when Allen came in the game. Also, Heinicke had what was determined a gaudy 102 QBR in the preseason.  Still haven’t heard how you know Heinicke is Norv ‘s boy.

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Happens enough in preseason to be noticeable.

I do agree that we don't have much hope if Newton goes down, though on that front I feel a lot better with Turner at OC than I did with Shula. Turner can make better adjustments.

That we can agree on.  He's also better at masking weaknesses.  

[Woodie]

8 minutes ago, MM122181 said:

don't argue with mr.scot he thinks he knows it all and don't know poo its been proving time and time again that guy is a hack and a terrible poster.

Nah, no arguing, just polite discussion.

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Nah, no arguing, just polite discussion.

Don't mind him. It's just Igor.

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, MM122181 said:

wah wah wah you are just pissed that your boy got cut.

you are honestly the worst poster on this whole forum

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, NorthTryon said:

Gilbert had plenty of time to show he holds the ball too long and misses on throws.  Its as simple as 7 points to 3 when Allen came in the game. Also, Heinicke had what was determined a gaudy 102 QBR in the preseason.  Still haven’t heard how you know Heinicke is Norv ‘s boy.

After 3 preseason games (when they got fairly equal snaps), Gilbert and Heinicke's QB ratings were separated by one tenth of a point. And Gilbert had more touchdown passes, despite playing with the 3rd string more often. Heinicke missed short, medium and long throws and anyone who understands ball placement on passes knows that, too.I wish him the best because I want us to win but the coaches chose a weaker armed passer to be the backup QB. 

As far as your other question, use what I thought was common sense. Where was Heinicke? Minnesota. Where was Norv? Minnesota. What a coincidence that we'd have a guy who was a backup at the same stop as the new OC. I have said before that we chose a weaker armed passer because he fits Norv's plays better. Otherwise, why bring him in? 

 

 

 

[NorthTryon]

9 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

After 3 preseason games (when they got fairly equal snaps), Gilbert and Heinicke's QB ratings were separated by one tenth of a point. And Gilbert had more touchdown passes, despite playing with the 3rd string more often. Heinicke missed short, medium and long throws and anyone who understands ball placement on passes knows that, too.I wish him the best because I want us to win but the coaches chose a weaker armed passer to be the backup.

 

 

They did play fairly close, but Gilbert missed throws as well slingshotting the ball past receivers with his “super strong” arm.  Also, Gilbert had plays with Curtis Samuel & DJ Moore all preseason so swing & a miss with the whole third string argument.

As long as Heinicke can throw the deep out his arm is plenty strong enough.  Again calling Heinicke Norv’s boy was ridiculous.  He was 3rd string then waived/injured in two years.  Hardly seemed like bosom buddies.  Yeah, he knew him, but quit acting like Gilbert got the outright shaft and the fix was in before camp started.