About this "meaningless" game and the draft

[Wyank]

31 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

You must be the kind of guy who saves seventh place ribbon achievements

Nope just a fan of winning and not throwing games for a gamble draft pick later.  If you can smile watching your team losing any regular season game that's pretty sad. 

[Lasus83.]

1 minute ago, Wyank said:

Nope just a fan of winning and not throwing games for a gamble draft pick later.  If you can smile watching your team losing any regular season game that's pretty sad. 

Ya'll do understand that, statistically, you get better players with better picks, right? Its sort of the idea behind the ordering of the draft and the premium put on high picks.

 

Today's win cost us big.

 

That equals wins in the future.

 

So, if you want wins, than losing today gave you a better shot at more wins in the future.

 

I fail to understand how this concept is difficult to understand.

Better picks = better players

Better players = better team

Better team = more wins.

Today, we got worse picks... which equals less wins....

[SCO96]

It would be nice to have top 10 pick with all the holes and weaknesses on this team. But, unless the front office totally blows this pick (which is possible) we should still get an impact player in the first round.

Even if we had higher picks in the other rounds there’s no guarantee we’d nail those picks...especially with Hurney as the GM. 

If we plan on becoming a winning franchise and challenging for a playoff spot year in and year out we need to get use to drafting at the bottom of the rounds anyway. The teams than have made the playoffs the most since during the current decade haven’t built their teams picking at the top of each round. They’re able to find the hidden gems throughout the draft and shrewdly acquire talent in free agency...which is why I’m ok with Rivera staying if a new GM is hired to build the roster.

[d-dave]

So how would we have "lost" the game today?  Is there a penalty to "throwing" a game?

Also, what coach tells his team "Guys, you need to throw this game so that we can draft a kid 6 places or so higher in the draft to replace you."

While sure, it would have been nice for the Saints to come out and kick our butt for a draft position, I'm not going to argue with the win.  The guys wanted to go out with a win.  I like what I saw out of some young players.  I am not upset at all about tumbling down the draft order.  

Some of y'all are acting like we will never have a good season again unless we draft in the top 10 of each round.  It's OK.  

[Piff]

What would've you all said if they played like poo and lost the game to a Saints team that played like poo? Playing for a loss is never a good strategy. You have players who are auditioning for a job next year and they aren't thinking about the draft.

[Wyank]

15 minutes ago, Lasus83. said:

Ya'll do understand that, statistically, you get better players with better picks, right? Its sort of the idea behind the ordering of the draft and the premium put on high picks.

 

Today's win cost us big.

 

That equals wins in the future.

 

So, if you want wins, than losing today gave you a better shot at more wins in the future.

 

I fail to understand how this concept is difficult to understand.

Better picks = better players

Better players = better team

Better team = more wins.

Today, we got worse picks... which equals less wins....

You can guarantee we would get a better player and better long term benefits if we would have lost today?  Guaranfugingtee a loss would made us better?  Then I would be disappointed we won.  

[Lasus83.]

2 minutes ago, Wyank said:

You can guarantee we would get a better player and better long term benefits if we would have lost today?  Guaranfugingtee a loss would made us better?  Then I would be disappointed we won.  

Statistically, yes.

 

And that is the whole reason most of us are upset

[Wyank]

2 minutes ago, Lasus83. said:

Statistically, yes.

 

And that is the whole reason most of us are upset

No that is not a guarantee. There is a better chance but no guarantee. In other words I'll be happy with a win instead of crying about my team I cheer for won. 

[332nd]

Lot of "Ahhhh! We shoulda lost" threads so I might've missed it, but has anyone asked the players why they didn't just fight for the L?

[theDIRTYcode2]

You beat the Saints, meaningless, but you still beat the Saints. This is a good day.

On side note I would like to apologize for being a dumbass on a thread last night. I was on a college board arguing with Notre Dame fans and some how got confused with this board. I was....heavily....heavily....intoxicated. My sincere apologies to all.

[Lasus83.]

14 minutes ago, Wyank said:

No that is not a guarantee. There is a better chance but no guarantee. In other words I'll be happy with a win instead of crying about my team I cheer for won. 

Why does this feel so much like arguing with flat-Earthers........

 

Logic, reason, strategy... chess.

 

The difference between us and lesser life forms. The willingness, and moreover understanding, to know that the hard choices are sometimes the right ones.

Sacrafice your bishop to save your queen. Send a squad to their deaths to save the battalion. Lose a football game to get better draft picks. Let the overpriced, underperforming, free agent walk.

 

You get burned sometimes, sure. But the logic and strategy is not up for debate. 

 

Ya'll wanna say 'let it be damned, I want the win". Well, suit yourselves. I'm out of breath trying to teach why sacraficing the now for the future is important.

[SOJA]

Can't fuging believe Ron "poo boat" Rivera coached us into seven straight losses but the one game he has to lose he goes out and wins to save his job

 

fug him

[Wyank]

 

36 minutes ago, Lasus83. said:

Why does this feel so much like arguing with flat-Earthers........

 

Logic, reason, strategy... chess.

 

The difference between us and lesser life forms. The willingness, and moreover understanding, to know that the hard choices are sometimes the right ones.

Sacrafice your bishop to save your queen. Send a squad to their deaths to save the battalion. Lose a football game to get better draft picks. Let the overpriced, underperforming, free agent walk.

 

You get burned sometimes, sure. But the logic and strategy is not up for debate. 

 

Ya'll wanna say 'let it be damned, I want the win". Well, suit yourselves. I'm out of breath trying to teach why sacraficing the now for the future is important.

So I was correct. It's not guaranteed and just better odds.  No need for the insults.  

I can't control what happens on the field or who the team picks in draft.  I can control whether I'm happy with a win and settle for 16th pick instead of being upset my team won. 

But since you have decided discussing something trivial as what an NFL team today deserves throwing insults out, I'm bowing out of discussing things with you since you seem a little emotional. 

 

Have a good night. 

[Lasus83.]

3 minutes ago, Wyank said:

 

So I was correct. It's not guaranteed and just better odds.  No need for the insults.  

I can't control what happens on the field or who the team picks in draft.  I can control whether I'm happy with a win and settle for 16th pick instead of being upset my team won. 

But since you have decided discussing something trivial as what an NFL team today deserves throwing insults out, I'm bowing out of discussing things with you since you seem a little emotional. 

 

Have a good night. 

You're right... too emotional.

 

Frustrating day for panther nation.

 

fug the saints.

 

May tom brady burn in hell

 

Gnite