How early would you take a QB?

[Palmetto]

10 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

No brohime...no one’s  worried about hurting Cams feelings...the fact is the 16th pick is one of our best chances to make our team better and fill an immediate need THIS season. So it just sounds stupid to blow it on someone who is 90% unlikely to play and all the poor little Cam nonsense shows where it’s coming from. You’re not a fan of the guy..gotcha. But he’s still by far the best QB this organization has ever had and if his arm is blown it will set this franchise back.Jones or whomever else you like at 16 is not going to be able to push Cam for the starting spot this season and that’s a fact 

Its obvious Marty and Rivera are in a win now, this year mode to save their jobs. Now that being the case what makes more sense...shoring up our horrid defense from last year or our oline that got EVERY QB that played behind it injured? Or worrying about “pushing” our former league MVP , franchise QB that is going to be more motivated than ever to prove folks like you wrong?  

You’re asking questions about 3 seasons down the road that we have time to figure out...I think we can win big this year if we plug up our weaknesses. All reports on Cam are that he’s coming back strong...and if so we’ll win a lot of games. By your logic the Colts should have drafted a QB with their first rd pick last year. His shoulder injury was a lot more serious and a lot more in question on whether he could come back. 

They were patient and got back to the playoffs...that’s what I’m hoping for

I agree with you

You can tell by the other guys responses hes not concerned about the Panthers future  its just about getting rid of Cam Newton

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, RIAnBOW said:

You used this phrase in an earlier post...."man crush"....go take a look in the mirror.

I have no illusions that the Panthers will in fact draft D. Jones from The Duke University with the 16th pick, but I do believe Tepper and Hurney have discussed the concept as such.  I also get a get a good laugh out of how incredibly uncomfortable even the mention of it makes certain people...watching the apoplectic outbursts is quite funny...like it's a personal affront to Cam or something, poor little Cam don't want to hurt his feelings. 

Cam could use some real competition, it would only make him better.  Put him in an uncomfortable place...betcha that footwork and play calling ability improve PDQ.

As for a new contract, he will be looking for $100,000,000+ of guaranteed money (and prob $150 million total) over probably 4-years....even if his shoulder is perfect is tying up that much money in one player in the best interests of the team?

Cam already got signed for less than others and much less than he could have to give the team cap space. What makes you think he turned into Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers diva queen all of a sudden? When has he made any comments about deadlines or money talks? 

I get that you have a hate for the guy, probably still salty we took him instead of Blain Gabbert in 2011 right? 

[poorboysrev]

30 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Cam already got signed for less than others and much less than he could have to give the team cap space. What makes you think he turned into Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers diva queen all of a sudden? When has he made any comments about deadlines or money talks? 

I get that you have a hate for the guy, probably still salty we took him instead of Blain Gabbert in 2011 right? 

Ha the good ole Gabbs 

[Sasquatch]

On 4/3/2019 at 2:30 PM, Captain Morgan said:

 

 

What's the earliest you'd pull the trigger if the right prospect is there?

 

2023

[JARROD]

30 minutes ago, RIAnBOW said:

Too funny.  I fully supported Cam in 2011 when most wanted to shy away from him based on character concerns.    Didn't take you long to play the "hate" card....everything is one extreme or another with you.  Only 2 camps in your mind....max-level man crush (where you are).....or hater, where you purport me to be, LOL. 

Question, if at the end of his current contract (2 seasons left) the Panthers moved on from Cam, how would you react?

I have a great life and life goes on.

[JARROD]

11 hours ago, RIAnBOW said:

"Here’s what Tepper had to say about the foundation of his franchise, per Joseph Person at the Athletic.

“Hopefully Cam’s shoulder’s fantastic and we’re hunky dory, we’re all fantastic. If it’s not, you may need more cap space. You may need to be able to go out and find somebody. If you don’t, you guys are going to be writing up what a dope we are here and why didn’t we make these other moves?”

Tepper’s comment about cap space is the most telling. If he was satisfied with the Panthers bringing back a guy like Taylor Heinicke or Kyle Allen, the team probably wouldn’t need to create cap room.

There’s a good chance Tepper wants general manager Marty Hurney to go out and get an upgrade at backup quarterback in the event Newton won’t be ready to start the season."

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/16/panthers-owner-david-tepper-comments-cam-newton-shoulder/

You are quite a bit late to the party with that post Beavis. I’m no expert, but this entire thread where people are talking late round quarterbacks the team might take as new backup options,... could possibly be a result of the season last year and articles.

in short,... noshit.

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, RIAnBOW said:

Column: Is it too early to think about the end of Cam Newton’s contract? It’s within reason

"It’s reasonable to think an NFL team would be hesitant to give a 31-year-old quarterback with habitual shoulder problems a potentially historic amount of money as he approaches the final years of his playing career. It’s also reasonable to believe Newton is at least aware of the impending finality of the five-year, $103.8 million extension he signed in 2015."

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article228837859.html

 

Writer hacks and click baiters are wastes of sperm. It’s also recycled old news that has been exhaustively debated here for a long time, hence the thread you keep trolling me in.

At any rate, if your dream of Cam Newton being out of Carolina comes to fruition, a far better quarterback will be drafted than Daniel Jones.

and if it doesn’t and Cam is signed for a record breaking contract and ends up taking the team to the Super Bowl again you can cry a river while we all dance.

i guess you will have to go troll some other team now.

 

 

 

 

[panthers55]

On 4/5/2019 at 2:40 PM, JARROD said:

Cam already got signed for less than others and much less than he could have to give the team cap space. What makes you think he turned into Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers diva queen all of a sudden? When has he made any comments about deadlines or money talks? 

I get that you have a hate for the guy, probably still salty we took him instead of Blain Gabbert in 2011 right? 

At the time Cam was the highest paid QB when he signed his new contracr. It quickly got surpassed and now is considered a deal but he didn't give us a hometown discount. As for whether he gets a new contract that is still up in the air. The Turners were hired to fix his mechanics and help him transition to more of a pocket passer as he enters his 30s and can't take the abuse he did earlier. His completion improvement was promising but hardly good enough to guarantee a contract given his shoulder problems and inability to throw it deep.  Tepper and Hurney said they would have a backup plan this year in case Cam didn't return to 100%. Not something that suggests he is guaranteed to get a new contract at this point.

Now everything looks promising and anyone who is a Panther fan hopes he comes roaring back and takes us all the way to the SB. But let's be real here, 2019 is a huge test for Cam which you can tell he sees given the vegen first, celibacy challenge, etc. Not everyone who legitimately discusses Cam's issues is a hater. If he weren't here I would have to replace 3 jerseys as I have one of his in white, black and blue yet am honest about 2019 being a proving year for Cam. 

[JARROD]

40 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

At the time Cam was the highest paid QB when he signed his new contracr. It quickly got surpassed and now is considered a deal but he didn't give us a hometown discount. As for whether he gets a new contract that is still up in the air. The Turners were hired to fix his mechanics and help him transition to more of a pocket passer as he enters his 30s and can't take the abuse he did earlier. His completion improvement was promising but hardly good enough to guarantee a contract given his shoulder problems and inability to throw it deep.  Tepper and Hurney said they would have a backup plan this year in case Cam didn't return to 100%. Not something that suggests he is guaranteed to get a new contract at this point.

Now everything looks promising and anyone who is a Panther fan hopes he comes roaring back and takes us all the way to the SB. But let's be real here, 2019 is a huge test for Cam which you can tell he sees given the vegen first, celibacy challenge, etc. Not everyone who legitimately discusses Cam's issues is a hater. If he weren't here I would have to replace 3 jerseys as I have one of his in white, black and blue yet am honest about 2019 being a proving year for Cam. 

I agree with all of that. Who knows, maybe we will draft Drew Lock at 16. That would really cause a Rumble in the Jungle.

[JARROD]

22 minutes ago, RIAnBOW said:

But you said "Cam got signed for less than others"....wasn't that case.  So why did you say that?

Like @panther55 said, "not everyone who legitimately discusses Cam's issues is a hater"...and, it's not your place to say who is and who isn't, so stop it.

Right.

you are funny. I guess you realized that no one was on the Daniel Jones train so you sort of Matrix slipped it’s all and went full board with focusing on Cams arm. 

I was promoting Nick Foles to Carolina not long ago so you are barking up the wrong tree with not wanting a legit backup plan.

the thing is with you MR Stopit, is everyone else before Panther 55 jumped in realized and commented on your posts— which were totally focused on replacing Cam no matter what.

Keep trolling the posts if you want to. Its not a debate, it’s a deflection on your part.

have a nice day.

[steven8989]

2 minutes ago, RIAnBOW said:

Lookee there, you managed to make a post without using the word "hate" in it....well, we are making progress.

I don't care if others do or don't want Daniel Jones at #16....but I personally think it would be a good pick.  All your anger and hate towards Duke and D. Jones are not going to change my position, sorry pal.

There's no expectation that Daniel would replace Cam this year, or next year, or any time in the next 5 years if Cam is able to come back and perform at a high level.  That said, we need an insurance policy and I believe D. Jone's upside is massive and it if turns out we don't need him in the medium term I also believe his trade value would be huge.  You're more than welcome to think otherwise but please direct all your anger and hate elsewhere.  

Clearly people who are paid to opine on the topic agree that a real backup plan is needed, and also agree that a long-term deal for Cam is anything but a certainty at this point (completely counter to your position)....not to mention that the owner Mr. David Tepper is also in the same place.

You max-level man-crush on Cam does not allow you to rationally analyze the situation...and it also drive you to make wild and unsound conclusions like saying my posts were "totally focused on replacing Cam no matter what" --- that's complete horse-hockey --- I am suggesting nothing of the sort.

Stop with the nonsense and unprovoked attacks, pal.

Did u say Daniel Jones at #16. Lmao I think I have heard it all now!!!

[JARROD]

22 minutes ago, RIAnBOW said:

Lookee there, you managed to make a post without using the word "hate" in it....well, we are making progress.

I don't care if others do or don't want Daniel Jones at #16....but I personally think it would be a good pick.  All your anger and hate towards Duke and D. Jones are not going to change my position, sorry pal.

There's no expectation that Daniel would replace Cam this year, or next year, or any time in the next 5 years if Cam is able to come back and perform at a high level.  That said, we need an insurance policy and I believe D. Jones's upside is massive and it if turns out we don't need him in the medium term I also believe his trade value would be huge.  You're more than welcome to think otherwise but please direct all your anger and hate elsewhere.  

Clearly people who are paid to opine on the topic agree that a real backup plan is needed, and also agree that a long-term deal for Cam is anything but a certainty at this point (completely counter to your position)....not to mention that the owner Mr. David Tepper is also in the same place.

Your max-level man-crush on Cam does not allow you to rationally analyze the situation...and it also drives you to make wild and unsound conclusions like saying my posts were "totally focused on replacing Cam no matter what" --- that's complete horse-hockey --- I am suggesting nothing of the sort.

Stop with the nonsense and unprovoked attacks, pal.

 

19 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Did u say Daniel Jones at #16. Lmao I think I have heard it all now!!!

Yep he was. 

[steven8989]

1 hour ago, RIAnBOW said:

That's exactly what I said.  @Verge has an inside NFL source and his guy says D. Jones from The Duke University will be the 2nd QB picked, and, one of the top-10 picks overall...and Verge thinks the same.

If Verge and his NFL source are correct it's a moot point as Mr. Jones won't be available at #16, but, if he drops, which is unlikely, I do believe the Panthers should choose him (the thought of which seems to send @JARROD into an apoplectic fit).  It would be prudent to do so.

That clear it up for you?

The only way Jones gets drafted at 16 is if we trade out with another team to select him. How bout I make a bet to clear it up for u, we will not draft him if he is there.

[Palmetto]

Panthers aren't drafting a Qb in the first 2 rounds