Grier was a Turner decision

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

If we’re hoping on Willie to carry us we’re doomed. This team has always been Cam or bust. 

And maybe it still will be, but the reality is that if the Panthers were confident in Newton being healthy they likely wouldn't have used a third-rounder on a contingency plan.

Let's say they determine Grier is not the answer. That probably means they use an even higher pick on a quarterback next year or maybe even sign a free agent. And in that scenario, you're probably talking about somebody other than Hurney and Rivera being in charge so there'll be no preexisting ties factoring into the decision.

Like it or not, regardless of how this plays out, there's no possible future where the team is willing to just sit back and say, "oh well, if Cam can't play I guess we'll just have to settle for losing." That's not how it works.

Does that suck for Newton given how he's been handled up to this point? Yeah it does, but there's nothing you can do about that.

[steven8989]

6 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I’m ok with Grier from a prospect perspective. But I like many others can’t get behind spending a 3rd round pick on a backup who if things go according to plan won’t play.. like ever. 3rd round for example starters are still getting picked..Butler the first pick by the cards in Arizona is expect to contribute day 1. Some of you wanted Grier In the second lol.I'm not sure if that’s homer bias or what..

Good lord the logic behind this is madding when we still have holes across the board, Saftey, obviously and I’m not convinced nickel is in good shape. Grier is ok as a player but he is not 3-4 rounds better than Tyree Jackson who went undrafted and Stidham who went to the Pats in the 5th. I would have happily took Jackson undrafted over a 3 rounder who should see nothing but developmental time. Let’s not forget Kyle Allen showed enough to be considered as well.

Between Allen and say Jackson no one can tell me the better value was taking Grier and spending a 3 on him when the value of those to are probably equal to or greater than that of grier. Ask me if I would rather have those 2 and a starting saftey ummm Amani hooker off the top of my head and the answer is easy.

Only reason the Pat's got Stidham was because we took Grier. They literally moved out of pick right behind us because we took him. That pick would have been Grier.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, steven8989 said:

Only reason the Pat's got Stidham was because we took Grier. They literally moved out of pick right behind us because we took him. That pick would have been Grier.

Are we sure they wanted Grier? The question is how bad did they want him. We telegraphed our love for Grier leading up to the draft. Pats had a first two second round picks and 3 third round picks with a million 7th round pick plus all the regular ones. If they wanted Grier I’m sure them sitting behind us one pick wasn’t the only option for them.

[Panthers8969]

6 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Are you even a Panther fan? 

Based upon this quoted post, I'd say no. 

Lol

[steven8989]

And the smartest decision, thanks Turner!!!!

[Darvinsun]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And maybe it still will be, but the reality is that if the Panthers were confident in Newton being healthy they likely wouldn't have used a third-rounder on a contingency plan.

Let's say they determine Grier is not the answer. That probably means they use an even higher pick on a quarterback next year or maybe even sign a free agent. And in that scenario, you're probably talking about somebody other than Hurney and Rivera being in charge so there'll be no preexisting ties factoring into the decision.

Like it or not, regardless of how this plays out, there's no possible future where the team is willing to just sit back and say, "oh well, if Cam can't play I guess we'll just have to settle for losing." That's not how it works.

Does that suck for Newton given how he's been handled up to this point? Yeah it does, but there's nothing you can do about that.

Like the person stated earlier Newton playing here has handicapped him, but playing anywhere else may have to and yes it sucks for Newton. It sucks for most blk QBs and that's just the point. It sucks and we just move on. It doesn't get better. Even RW he is forced to be captain America. Things are not easy for blk QBs instead of using there run abilities has icing on the cake the offense absorbs that as an ingredient of the cake itself. Neglects that it it still needs the true ingredient that was meant for the cake itself.The cake may have a good taste but may be too dry. The cake is then not worth buying.

[steven8989]

10 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Like the person stated earlier Newton playing here has handicapped him, but playing anywhere else may have to and yes it sucks for Newton. It sucks for most blk QBs and that's just the point. It sucks and we just move on. It doesn't get better. Even RW he is forced to be captain America. Things are not easy for blk QBs instead of using there run abilities has icing on the cake the offense absorbs that as an ingredient of the cake itself. Neglects that it it still needs the true ingredient that was meant for the cake itself.The cake may have a good taste but may be too dry. The cake is then not worth buying.

[Darvinsun]

6 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

All blk QBs are cursed cause the coaches don't know how to handle their skills without lessening the talent around them. Seatle has done the best so far but RW was a rookie coming to a good team that needed a game manager with RW skill set. No one truly knows how to build around blk Qbs.  Thus why you only have 2 blk QBs that have won a superbowl coming in as unknowns.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

48 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

All blk QBs are cursed cause the coaches don't know how to handle their skills without lessening the talent around them. Seatle has done the best so far but RW was a rookie coming to a good team that needed a game manager with RW skill set. No one truly knows how to build around blk Qbs.  Thus why you only have 2 blk QBs that have won a superbowl coming in as unknowns.

When you say “black qbs and their skill set”  are you referring to the ability to run and make plays with their feet?   I don’t see how that causes coaches to lessen the skill set surrounding them. 

[Mr. Scot]

A couple of additional tidbits...

Joe Person (The Athletic) quoted Ron Rivera as saying that Norv and Scott Turner "raved" about Grier’s accuracy, quick decision making and ability to throw very catchable passes.

Also, on WFNZ Darin Gantt told Josh Parcells that Grier was "the guy" as far as the Panthers quarterback options. They had him targeted all along.