Meanwhile, we're buying a golf course

[SBiii]

22 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You don't necessarily have to actually plan to ever out a stadium there to use that big chunk of dirt as leverage to help you fleece the city of Charlotte.

It's $4M well spent if it helps you get $500M+ from Charlotte.

Assumes the Charlotte city council is too dumb to figure out what Michael and blackcat cleared up in 1 minute...

...and they just might be so.

[Happy Panther]

On 10/29/2019 at 8:32 AM, blackcat said:

The property really doesn't suit for a stadium site if you look at a GIS map.  The back nine surrounds the Waterford neighborhood, kinda rendering that part of the property useless in terms of a stadium.  The front nine might have enough room for a stadium, but you'd still have to buy out the business parks so you could have enough parking as well as dealing with any environmental impacts of being so close to the river.

Maybe. Here is the current stadium superimposed over the course at the same scale. I'm sure there are a dozen other issues such as zoning. But it seems like there is plenty of room for parking and even entertainment. Due South of that is the business park on overview drive people have mentioned which could also provide private parking like the current setup. I don't know what i the heck you do with the neighborhood to the left. Those houses are $300 to upper $400s. They get to walk to the game!

[Happy Panther]

On 10/28/2019 at 2:38 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I could be wrong, but I bet this is all about Tepper being able to leverage Charlotte for a new stadium. Now he has a big chunk of land already in his ownership that would make a perfect stadium location super convenient to the new team headquarters.

Never seen the course, but judging by the pics I'm seeing online it pretty much looks like a duffer/hacker course in mediocre at best shape. 

What I'm seeing is a big chunk of land with great access off of I-77 right on the Catawba River. This is a stadium site.

Yeah its a goat track. Unless Tepper wants to redo the whole thing and make it Quail Hollow, I don't see anyone entertaining anyone there. 

[thefuzz]

45 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Yeah its a goat track. Unless Tepper wants to redo the whole thing and make it Quail Hollow, I don't see anyone entertaining anyone there. 

Same.

Cheap way to control a lot of real estate so that he has "some" leverage with Charlotte later.

 

[Happy Panther]

3 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Waterford a good course...maybe they’ll pump some cash into it and make world class

just part of the entire campus Tepper is building

why do you guys hate golf?

Waterford is a pretty bad course. But yeah they could build a fancy new clubhouse and a nice restaurant make it private. 

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Waterford a good course...maybe they’ll pump some cash into it and make world class

just part of the entire campus Tepper is building

why do you guys hate golf?

How many homes are on the fairways currently?

Never seen the course, but golf is a tough biz in a good economy, in a bad one it's terrible.

[NYPantherFan]

I immediately think back to the survey the Panthers sent out earlier this year that asked about a high end "Carolina Club" that would allow fans to get together over luxury food amd drinks. I wonder if they are concidering turning the golf course into this club with member amenities?

[Happy Panther]

16 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

How many homes are on the fairways currently?

Never seen the course, but golf is a tough biz in a good economy, in a bad one it's terrible.

https://www.mapquest.com/us/south-carolina/waterford-golf-club-3623737

Looks like 100+ if you zoom into the right and pick Satellite. The guts of the course has nothing on it. If a stadium were to be put there I'm guessing those 9 holes or so would be wasted space.

[Happy Panther]

14 minutes ago, bull123 said:

it is a good layout...Donald Ross track....pump some cash into it and it can be a first class play to play

You may be thinking of a different course. Donald Ross didn't design it. He did design part of Fort Mill Golf Club which looks a little nicer.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, bull123 said:

Golf courses with no houses are sometimes the best ones

i haven’t played down there in several yrs, a Donald Ross layout is always good...just needs some unfits 

and the economy is rocking

My point is....a course with a bunch of dated 300-450k homes on it is very unlikely to make it as a "high end" course that you were talking about.

Tepper would likely have to build a new clubhouse with restaurant, probably hotel facilities, and likely have to re-do all of the fairways and greens to make it a really nice place to play.

Again, don't know the layout, and I do know that Ross courses are prized, just not sure he is going for high end experience.

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

https://www.mapquest.com/us/south-carolina/waterford-golf-club-3623737

Looks like 100+ if you zoom into the left and pick Satellite. The guts of the course has nothing on it. If a stadium were to be put there I'm guessing those 9 holes or so would be wasted space.

Thank you.  Was able to check it out a bit better.

[thefuzz]

15 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Golf courses with no houses are sometimes the best ones

i haven’t played down there in several yrs, a Donald Ross layout is always good...just needs some unfits 

and the economy is rocking

Agreeing with @Happy Panther, are you sure this is a Ross design?

 

Was just looking up his in NC, and didn't see it, but could have overlooked it, or maybe it was a different name?

[blackcat]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Agreeing with @Happy Panther, are you sure this is a Ross design?

 

Was just looking up his in NC, and didn't see it, but could have overlooked it, or maybe it was a different name?

It was designed by Hale Irwin.

[blackcat]

1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

Yeah its a goat track. Unless Tepper wants to redo the whole thing and make it Quail Hollow, I don't see anyone entertaining anyone there. 

Wouldn't call it a goat track by any means.  I've played it since it opened and yeah, it's seen better days, but it has potential, especially if a billionaire buys it.