Kyle Allen Statistical Rankings

[Khyber53]

Funny, the 10th  game in Cam's first season was also a loss, with four interceptions to the Detroit Lions, a team about as impressive historically as the Falcons, but less so.

Let's not go overboard and kill the Kid for being basically a rookie in a rough game.

 

[firefox1234]

24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The difference is that I am not using one game, I am using the entire year to judge Kyle. 

And, as for Cam, I made the quote, "Drafting Cam will be the biggest mistake in franchise history" prior to the draft. I happily ate that crow but I was definitely skeptical of him. Cam also didn't have nearly this poor of a statistical year(so far) as Kyle has. 

I wasn’t on the Huddle then but I hated the Cam draft and turned it off after the pick, just to put it out there.

[kungfoodude]

54 minutes ago, cmichd said:

I provide the link to my post.  I am not judging stats for the each's rookie year.  That sir would be foolish.  I just looked up whose was on the line 2011.  I knew Gross and Kalil were there but wasn't sure of Whaton, Schwartz, and Otah.

Yes, Cam had a much better offensive line. You really aren't going to easily be able to make an apples-to-apples comparison with Cam on the basis of how bad the OL was. Cam made a lot of those offensive lines look much better than they were just simply by escaping from pass rush pressure. Sack rates are going to be hard to normalize between them without an adjustment for how they are different fundamentally as QB's. Pass Block Win Rates would be a good metric but as of yet there does not exist historic data on that. QB Pressures or QB Hits might be a metric that could shed some light. I still think you are going to be in a situation where you can't easily compare them based solely on the play of the offensive line. 

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Glad you have such wisdom you can call a players career after less than a year. Your a real smart Cam Hugger. 

I knew you’d show up to support your buddy Kyle and bring up Cam. You must be really excited about Kyle’s future after he played so great yesterday

[Palmetto]

3 minutes ago, cmichd said:

I made a mistake Mr. Perfect.  I said it was "MY BAD"

Forgetting what year a player was drafted is a mistake i do it all the time

falsely remembering wanting one guy over the next....i call BS

especially when both guys are well known Super stars

It was just an attempt to inject Russell Wilson into the conversation

[Burnout189]

19 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Funny, the 10th  game in Cam's first season was also a loss, with four interceptions to the Detroit Lions, a team about as impressive historically as the Falcons, but less so.

Let's not go overboard and kill the Kid for being basically a rookie in a rough game.

 

I think most reasonable fans on this board aren't trying to damn Allen, but it's just clear from watching his decision making that he isn't starting material. Granted our O-line is garbage but some of those passes on the interceptions were just so blatantly awful. He had several opportunities where instead of forcing the pass he could have just ran for a few yards and slid but decided to make a horrible throw instead. I hope he bounces back and gets better, but it's just obvious at this point that Allen is probably back-up QB material at best.

[cmichd]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes, Cam had a much better offensive line. You really aren't going to easily be able to make an apples-to-apples comparison with Cam on the basis of how bad the OL was very easily. Cam made a lot of those offensive lines look much better than they were just simply by escaping from pass rush pressure. Sack rates are going to be hard to normalize between them without an adjustment for how they are different fundamentally as QB's. Pass Block Win Rates would be a good metric but as of yet there does not exist historic data on that. QB Pressures or QB Hits might be a metric that could shed some light. I still think you are going to be in a situation where you can't easily compare them based solely on the play of the offensive line. 

Kungfoo not trying to compare apples to apples.  Just wanted to show that even as good as Cam was his rookie year he had a game with 4 interceptions and not be too hard on Kyle.  Kyle was thrown into a no win situation this year.  Remember many gave him no shot to beat Arizona his first game  

[cmichd]

7 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

Forgetting what year a player was drafted is a mistake i do it all the time

falsely remembering wanting one guy over the next....i call BS

especially when both guys are well known Super stars

It was just an attempt to inject Russell Wilson into the conversation

Not really Palmetto.  I truly wanted Wilson and hoped Carolina would pick him up.  After I was corrected I member it was going to be Luck or Newton as number One over all in 2011 and then Luck decided to go back his Senior year.

 

[Palmetto]

2 minutes ago, cmichd said:

Not really Palmetto.  I truly wanted Wilson and hoped Carolina would pick him up.  After I was corrected I member it was going to be Luck or Newton as number One over all in 2011 and then Luck decided to go back his Senior year.

 

You truly wanted Wilson even tho he wasn't coming out until the following year?

The Andrew Luck part is only relevant if you're saying you confused Luck with Wilson which still makes zero sense if you cant even remember what Qb you wanted

 

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, cmichd said:

Kungfoo not trying to compare apples to apples.  Just wanted to show that even as good as Cam was his rookie year he had a game with 4 interceptions and not be too hard on Kyle.  Kyle was thrown into a no win situation this year.  Remember many gave him no shot to beat Arizona his first game  

Well I never had the intent on damning Kyle over the one game. It was more of an attempt to look at the whole picture(so far). He was atrocious yesterday so I wanted to take a look at the stats to see if that was really an outlier or not. 

[cmichd]

12 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

You truly wanted Wilson even tho he wasn't coming out until the following year?

The Andrew Luck part is only relevant if you're saying you confused Luck with Wilson which still makes zero sense if you cant even remember what Qb you wanted

 

I just got the year wrong is all.  I still wanted Wilson.  Thought he was a better QB than Cam.  I watched him too many times in the 4 QTR kill another team with his comeback ability in college and i wasn't a State fan when he did against UNC.

 

[Palmetto]

2 minutes ago, cmichd said:

I just got the year wrong is all.  I still wanted Wilson.  Thought he was a better QB than Cam.  I watched him too many times in the 4 QTR kill another team with his comeback ability in college and i wasn't a State fan when he did against UNC.

 

Sure. But i dont believe any of that mess you just tried to explained

[cmichd]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well I never had the intent on damning Kyle over the one game. It was more of an attempt to look at the whole picture(so far). He was atrocious yesterday so I wanted to take a look at the stats to see if that was really an outlier or not. 

I think yesterday was his worst game also.  No he has had some stinkers were the defense bailed him.  Against winning team he is 0-2.  This was a game I thought he could do okay in.  Might not win but okay.  Was hoping Atlanta would have a let down after beating the Saints last week.  They were on the prowl for cat yesterday.

  

[cmichd]

5 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

Sure. But i dont believe any of that mess you just tried to explained

you never saw him play at NC State before he transfer to Wisconsin cause he wanted to play baseball and state Coach at the time wouldn't let him return.