A Name I think Should Be Under Heavy Consideration: Eric "Sleeping With" Bieniemy

[Proudiddy]

He's not the young, flashy name many seem to think we'll be after, but I'd much rather have him than McDaniels.

He's a former player, so he has that going for him.  He's also an offensive assistant, currently the OC for the Chiefs, who has cut his teeth under Andy Reid.  And just saying, look at the track record of Reid's offensive assistants versus any of Belichick's...  and FWIW, McD was originally a DC under Reid...  so, with him, Reich, Pederson, and Harbaugh (off the top of my head), Reid's tree is pretty impressive. 

If I had a preference right now, it would be Bieniemy.  None of the other names thrown out so far have inspired any confidence...  I don't want anything from the Pats, and honestly, outside of Lincoln Riley, which isn't happening, none of the college guys excite me either.  I just find it curious that his name isn't being associated with more potential openings as of yet.

SN: I know Ron was initially a ST coach under Reid, but I'm not including him in the Reid tree because he never rose to coordinator level under him.  I know Harbaugh was as well, but he's only been a HC for one team, and it seems to have worked out pretty well for him.  So, Ron is the anomaly regardless.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Consider me permanently skeptical of anyone operating within Andy Reid's offense. Say what you will about that man as a head coach and his inability to win the big one, but he always fields a very good offense regardless of who's playing and who's coordinating.  

[Snake]

I rather take someone like McDaniels who has been running a entire offensive program over a dude who is the number 2 in a offensive program. 

[Woodie]

The problem is he's not the play caller.  He's basically what Washington was until Ron got fired (and might still be).  And if I'm just looking at someone that has had the opportunity to see how a winning team operates, McDaniels has Bieniemy beat 10 ways from Sunday...and he was the offensive play caller and designer for a multiple SB winner.

If the idea is to stay away from McDaniels, then I'd much rather look at Stefanski, who does call plays for the Vikes.  One college guy I wouldn't be opposed to is Brady from LSU.  He's been in an NFL locker room, and has shown that he can bring New Orleans' system with him (I like Rhule as well, but I think he want more power than Dave is likely willing to give one guy).  

 

[Proudiddy]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Consider me permanently skeptical of anyone operating within Andy Reid's offense. Say what you will about that man as a head coach and his inability to win the big one, but he always fields a very good offense regardless of who's playing and who's coordinating.  

True, but again, his tree is much more impressive and successful than Belichick's.  Nagy us kind of an unknown after this season, but I still like his coaching style, I just think this year it became too much to overcome their offensive deficiencies (namely Trubisky and the lack of a running game).

[Proudiddy]

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

I rather take someone like McDaniels who has been running a entire offensive program over a dude who is the number 2 in a offensive program. 

 

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

The problem is he's not the play caller.  He's basically what Washington was until Ron got fired (and might still be).  And if I'm just looking at someone that has had the opportunity to see how a winning team operates, McDaniels has Bieniemy beat 10 ways from Sunday...and he was the offensive play caller and designer for a multiple SB winner.

If the idea is to stay away from McDaniels, then I'd much rather look at Stefanski, who does call plays for the Vikes.  One college guy I wouldn't be opposed to is Brady from LSU.  He's been in an NFL locker room, and has shown that he can bring New Orleans' system with him (I like Rhule as well, but I think he want more power than Dave is likely willing to give one guy).  

 

While true, the same can be said for Pederson and Reich...  and they have done well.  Nagy won coach of the year last year as well.

I'm just worried about McDaniels.  Anybody that has come out if that NE program has been fairly unimpressive outside if it, save for O'Brien, but he had to go and run Penn St. on his own before coming back to the pros.

I forgot about Brady...  he is exciting and intriguing, but the lack of actual experience as the leader in a room or of a program is concerning.

[Proudiddy]

Also, my apologies for including Reich as part of Reid's coaching tree...  technically he is indirectly via Pederson, but for some reason I kept thinking he served under Reid directly.  Regardless, Reid's tree is still much more impressive than Belichick's.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Also, my apologies for including Reich as part of Reid's coaching tree...  technically he is indirectly via Pederson, but for some reason I kept thinking he served under Reid directly.  Regardless, Reid's tree is still much more impressive than Belichick's.

My coaching tree is more impressive than Belichick's.

[Proudiddy]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

My coaching tree is more impressive than Belichick's.

Indeed lol.  His is atrocious.  Vrabel and O'Brien are his only hope.

[Woodie]

35 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

 

While true, the same can be said for Pederson and Reich...  and they have done well.  Nagy won coach of the year last year as well.

I'm just worried about McDaniels.  Anybody that has come out if that NE program has been fairly unimpressive outside if it, save for O'Brien, but he had to go and run Penn St. on his own before coming back to the pros.

I forgot about Brady...  he is exciting and intriguing, but the lack of actual experience as the leader in a room or of a program is concerning.

I think Brady would be a great choice if he is able to bring in at least one former HC as an assistant as a sounding board.  Put our weapons in that NO offense, and I think we could be lethal.  Of course that is with the assumption that we fix the OL and bring in a reliable QB (unless Cam is healthy and the team keeps him).  

Personally, I wouldn't mind McDaniels.  I don't hold his time in Denver against him the way some do because he was just so young and full of himself, and it was so long ago that I am sure he has matured and learned a lot since then.  What I do like, and the reason I don't worry about the history of NE coaches going out on their own, is that the vast majority of them have been defensive coaches, and defense is Belichick's domain. 

So, I think most have been a cog in the machine, but not the engine that made their defense go.  McDaniels, on the other hand, is the unquestioned leader of the offense (notwithstanding Brady's role).  And I like how he has been is able to adjust his scheme and play calling to the players he has to work with.  Of course, it always helps to have a HOF QB, but the scheme itself is very adaptable and would fit our personnel very well.  Again. like I said with Brady, we would need to fix the OL and have competent QB play...but that goes for any coach or system we bring in.

[Gesualdo]

 I don't hold his time in Denver against him the way some do because he was just so young and full of himself, and it was so long ago that I am sure he has matured and learned a lot since then.  

why do people keep saying this, with no evidence?

has none of you ever encountered an asshole who stayed an asshole over time? or became more of an asshole, because the world kept rewarding them?

 

[Woodie]

23 minutes ago, Gesualdo said:

 

 

why do people keep saying this, with no evidence?

has none of you ever encountered an asshole who stayed an asshole over time? or became more of an asshole, because the world kept rewarding them?

 

Serious question.  How old are you (I'm not actually looking for your age, just making a point)?  Go back through every decade of your life and think about how much you learned about life and how much you changed during that period.  Without knowing you, I can tell you it's a lot.  That's because everyone changes and learns as they gain more life experience...and it never stops.  So, basic, fundamental logic would say that over a ten year period, that Josh McDaniels has grown up and learned a few things.  

And knowing a little about the situation should help you realize that his issue then had as much to do with a team giving him too much power before he was ready for it than him simply being an asshole.  You have to also understand that he was trying use the Bill Belichick playbook on how to be a coach without really understanding it.  But he's had another 10 years to reflect on his mistakes and learn what to do in the future...not to mention discussions with Bill himself.

I'm not saying McDaniels should be the next coach, just that what happened in Denver should be looked at in context.

[Gesualdo]

2 hours ago, Woodie said:

Serious question.  How old are you (I'm not actually looking for your age, just making a point)?  Go back through every decade of your life and think about how much you learned about life and how much you changed during that period.  Without knowing you, I can tell you it's a lot.  That's because everyone changes and learns as they gain more life experience...and it never stops.  So, basic, fundamental logic would say that over a ten year period, that Josh McDaniels has grown up and learned a few things.  

And knowing a little about the situation should help you realize that his issue then had as much to do with a team giving him too much power before he was ready for it than him simply being an asshole.  You have to also understand that he was trying use the Bill Belichick playbook on how to be a coach without really understanding it.  But he's had another 10 years to reflect on his mistakes and learn what to do in the future...not to mention discussions with Bill himself.

I'm not saying McDaniels should be the next coach, just that what happened in Denver should be looked at in context.

i know people who got better over ten years and people who got worse over ten years. there's more in the first category than the second.

but when it comes to people who were glaring assholes ten years ago, most of them are in the latter category. most of them became bigger assholes.

that's all I'm saying here. there are very decent odds that mcdaniels is still a total POS.

really, the only evidence we have, in either direction, is how he handled the Indy situation. and how does that look?

there's been a recent attempt, very conveniently timed, to contextualize and soften that affair, but, hm, Indy people at the time sure didn't feel like he handled it in a classy way

[arbnranger]

Pie for the ole Chris Berman reference.