QB issue will solve itself

[Pantherzack179812]

Just now, CatTower said:

What's an unproven assumption?  The only one I count is your own.  Cam has shown to play through pain and even hide it.  Why would he not try to prove his doubters wrong in a contract year and earn his next big payday?  

But Cam is 0-10 in his last games playing through the pain. Would you be angry if we cut Cam because of not playing since week 2 and still not being 100% in march?

[Pantherzack179812]

I am a believer some of cams issues are psychological and could be solved by him having 6-7 games in a row he doesn't get murdered.

[1of10Charnatives]

9 minutes ago, CatTower said:

What's an unproven assumption?  The only one I count is your own.  Cam has shown to play through pain and even hide it.  Why would he not try to prove his doubters wrong in a contract year and earn his next big payday?  

Oh I don't expect you to see or acknowledge them because they are your own, and most people on the internet defend their own logical missteps to the death.

1. Assuming Cam will decide his best course of action is to play on the last year of his contract regardless of his health. He may decide this, he may not. Since we know you don't have access to his definitive decision, this is by definition an unproven assumption on your part. Whether it turns out to be right does not change the fact it is unproven and an assumption.

2. Cam may or may not be motivated primarily by money at this point in his career. The money he has already made thus far is multiples of what most people make in a lifetime. In the past decade as more information about the long term negatives have come out, we are seeing players even in their prime start to make decisions for their future that are based more in their health than additional lucrative contracts. Cam may be thinking this way or he may not, but again, you've made the unproven assumption, since we know you do not have access to his thinking directly.

3. We could very easily not trade Cam, fail to improve his o line protection in the offseason, watch him suffer another season ending injury in the preseason or early season, and find ourselves very much in the running for a top pick next year. This is an entirely plausible scenario and nonzero chance we don't trade Cam and are in the running for a top pick next year. Your unproven assumption is a highly limited number of possibilities are the only ones.

The bottom line is your post had multiple unproven assumptions. Some of them may prove predictive of what happens or why, or they may not, but you are assuming multiple things we know you don't know for certain, but feel free to assume. Hence, unproven assumptions.

[bmoshx]

I think the only thing to do is to start a rumor and photo shop Burrow into a scandalous image.

[Carl Spackler]

I’m more than OK with Cam starting Week 1. We just need to acquire someone through the draft or FA to be his backup. And if Cam can’t hold up, and that other guy sucks, great. We go 0-16 and get Lawrence. 

[Pantherzack179812]

16 minutes ago, bmoshx said:

I think the only thing to do is to start a rumor and photo shop Burrow into a scandalous image.

Then #6 takes him

[bmoshx]

1 minute ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Then #6 takes him

Photo shop him wearing a shirt that says, "I won't play for the Chargers!"

[CatTower]

18 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Oh I don't expect you to see or acknowledge them because they are your own, and most people on the internet defend their own logical missteps to the death.

1. Assuming Cam will decide his best course of action is to play on the last year of his contract regardless of his health. He may decide this, he may not. Since we know you don't have access to his definitive decision, this is by definition an unproven assumption on your part. Whether it turns out to be right does not change the fact it is unproven and an assumption.

2. Cam may or may not be motivated primarily by money at this point in his career. The money he has already made thus far is multiples of what most people make in a lifetime. In the past decade as more information about the long term negatives have come out, we are seeing players even in their prime start to make decisions for their future that are based more in their health than additional lucrative contracts. Cam may be thinking this way or he may not, but again, you've made the unproven assumption, since we know you do not have access to his thinking directly.

3. We could very easily not trade Cam, fail to improve his o line protection in the offseason, watch him suffer another season ending injury in the preseason or early season, and find ourselves very much in the running for a top pick next year. This is an entirely plausible scenario and nonzero chance we don't trade Cam and are in the running for a top pick next year. Your unproven assumption is a highly limited number of possibilities are the only ones.

The bottom line is your post had multiple unproven assumptions. Some of them may prove predictive of what happens or why, or they may not, but you are assuming multiple things we know you don't know for certain, but feel free to assume. Hence, unproven assumptions.

 

The majority of posts on this board are by definition, unproven assumptions.  This is dumb to specifically call me out because you feel like I made too detailed predictions compared to the usual, "Yeah, we're gonna suck again, derr derr."

[1of10Charnatives]

8 minutes ago, CatTower said:

 

The majority of posts on this board are by definition, unproven assumptions.  This is dumb to specifically call me out because you feel like I made too detailed predictions compared to the usual, "Yeah, we're gonna suck again, derr derr."

Your predictions had a baseline of assuming only one or two possible paths when in fact there are many. Sorry you don't like being called out but I don't have time to call out everybody. Today was your day, maybe tomorrow will be somebody else's, but that doesn't change the reality that many things could happen besides the limited possibilities your post implies.

[CatTower]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Your predictions had a baseline of assuming only one or two possible paths when in fact there are many. Sorry you don't like being called out but I don't have time to call out everybody. Today was your day, maybe tomorrow will be somebody else's, but that doesn't change the reality that many things could happen besides the limited possibilities your post implies.

I'm not even going to argue with you.  Let's just say you are being a little ironic.  Look in the mirror before you call someone out.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, CatTower said:

I'm not even going to argue with you.  Let's just say you are being a little ironic.  Look in the mirror before you call someone out.

Why is it that whenever someone is wrong on the internet, the vast majority of the time their reaction is to try to make it about the person pointing it out, rather than simply confront a minor mistake, own it and move on? I've done so here on numerous occasions, there's no reason you can't also, the mature path might not be the one most people take, but it's always an option.

[cmichd]

1 hour ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Those who attended week 1&2 games knew the feeling of Cam Newton's play was not the same as the past. We obviously miserably lost those two games. I think Cam comes back in 2020 and is either the Cam of old or completely sucks. If he sucks and looks like early 2019, we tank and get Trevor Lawrence and ZERO dead cap hit from Cam. The only reason we weren't in the Joe Burrow conversation is Kyle Allen was good enough to win a few games until good teams got film on him. I think this team is going to be in the 1-3 conversation barring a comeback player of the year from Cam. I was ok with moving on from Cam when it looked like KA might be a serviceable game manager, but he is obviously a backup. If Burrow has some horrible scandel that drops him to #7, then obviously cut Cam lose, but it's obvious without Cam, we will be TERRIBLE next year anyway. In the end, the KA run will prevent us from even having to consider drafting a QB unless we believe in Herbert. 

 

They say he has the skills to be a franchise QB but he still has his flaws.  If we had a QB coach it might be worth taking him now and let him sit a year or 2 then make him the our QB.  This would be a two year window of losing or being a middle of the road team but we wouldn't have to rush him in being the #1 guy until he is ready.  I doubt he will be around for us to take.  Maybe one of the teams needing a QB will take Prescott which might give us a shot at him.  I don't think Tua will be the same QB after the Hip injury.

 

[CatTower]

7 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Why is it that whenever someone is wrong on the internet, the vast majority of the time their reaction is to try to make it about the person pointing it out, rather than simply confront a minor mistake, own it and move on? I've done so here on numerous occasions, there's no reason you can't also, the mature path might not be the one most people take, but it's always an option.

Baiting

[Anybodyhome]

1 hour ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

But Cam is 0-10 in his last games playing through the pain. Would you be angry if we cut Cam because of not playing since week 2 and still not being 100% in march?

Nope. Cam waited so long to have the surgery that the team will have no idea how healthy he is at draft time. Almost leaves the FO (whoever it may be) without much choice but to draft a QB. Had Cam opted for the surgery a few months earlier, everyone concerned would have a much better idea as to his health and what direction to go in March-April. 

Don't draft a QB and cross your fingers Cam rehabs fully and is healthy by May or June.

Draft a QB and you have either a quality backup to Cam, if he makes it back, or you have the starting QB for the next several years.