CMC's Potential New Contract - Discussion

[Gesualdo]

8 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

Already said, but CMC is the rare RB in the modern game I have no problem extending.  Done as a RB?  Cool, go excel as a slot WR or front load the money to make him an easy cut later on. 

Front-loading the money sounds good...but we have him under contract for pennies for a while yet, so it would actually be slightly insane.

[Toomers]

   I’m having a hard time disagreeing with any take in this entire thread. I can see logic behind every statement from pay him to no way. 
 

  But if anyone thinks he will just happily play under his current deal is kidding themselves. He would be crazy not to try and get security before another snap. 

[Jon Snow]

You guys act like it's your money.  Pay the kid what he's worth.  He will be the top paid offensive player on the team until the next franchise QB comes around.   By then he will be up for a 3rd contact somewhere else.

[1of10Charnatives]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   I’m having a hard time disagreeing with any take in this entire thread. I can see logic behind every statement from pay him to no way. 
 

  But if anyone thinks he will just happily play under his current deal is kidding themselves. He would be crazy not to try and get security before another snap. 

Yeah I'm also kinda torn on this one. I think there's something reasonable in almost every point of view expressed on this one. The idea I like the most would be to explore the possibility of converting him to receiver to extend his career, but I have no idea if CMC himself would be open to the idea. If he is, I think it might be the best all around option.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You guys act like it's your money.  Pay the kid what he's worth.  He will be the top paid offensive player on the team until the next franchise QB comes around.   By then he will be up for a 3rd contact somewhere else.

Well I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I act like it's my money because any realistic fan these days knows salary cap management is a huge part of building and maintaning a successful team. If I were (dog forbid) a baseball fan, my answer to every contract situation would be "Pay the guy" cause who gives a fug? No cap and not my money.

[Gesualdo]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You guys act like it's your money.  Pay the kid what he's worth.  He will be the top paid offensive player on the team until the next franchise QB comes around.   By then he will be up for a 3rd contact somewhere else.

It's our team's cap space, and the dispute is whether any RB can be with top RB money, which has only ever been handed out by dumb, losing teams.

Doing dumb cap sh*t while waiting for "franchise QBs" to "come around" is another hallmark of bad teams.

Please, name me a good team that acts like that.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Well I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I act like it's my money because any realistic fan these days knows salary cap management is a huge part of building and maintaning a successful team. If I were (dog forbid) a baseball fan, my answer to every contract situation would be "Pay the guy" cause who gives a fug? No cap and not my money.

Still, not your money.  

[1of10Charnatives]

Here's a point I'm not sure anyone has put forward:

At least broaching the subject of a new contract now, and getting a conversation going might help you get a better feel for how willing CMC is to stay here. I think it's possible we might all be overlooking that this is a bad team in the middle of a big rebuild. CMC might not want to do a contract with us right now because while he's not making bank atm, he knows he's going to get paid eventually, and he might be more interested in waiting to see how the new coaching staff works out before committing to staying here.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Gesualdo said:

It's our team's cap space, and the dispute is whether any RB can be with top RB money, which has only ever been handed out by dumb, losing teams.

Doing dumb cap sh*t while waiting for "franchise QBs" to "come around" is another hallmark of bad teams.

Please, name me a good team that acts like that.

How does this effect you personally?  

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Still, not your money.  

Right, but KK's rework makes me cringe and knash my teeth not cause it's my money, but because it limits my team's options. Guys that I want to stay get released or walk away because of poor contract decisions. Not my money, but still affects my team.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yeah I'm also kinda torn on this one. I think there's something reasonable in almost every point of view expressed on this one. The idea I like the most would be to explore the possibility of converting him to receiver to extend his career, but I have no idea if CMC himself would be open to the idea. If he is, I think it might be the best all around option.

   That part I do disagree with. You don’t take a mismatch like CMC and line him up against the only players Capable of handling his quickness, like CBs(and NCBs)

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

How does this effect you personally?  

How does Darryl Williams’ contract affect you personally?

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right, but KK's rework makes me cringe and knash my teeth not cause it's my money, but because it limits my team's options. Guys that I want to stay get released or walk away because of poor contract decisions. Not my money, but still affects my team.

Well I hate to break it to you but worrying to the point that it affects your health is a you problem, not a they problem.   It's not that serious.

Your first step to recovery is acceptance.

Repeat after me.

I have no control over what happens with this team. 

[1of10Charnatives]

40 minutes ago, Gesualdo said:

We're on page ten, it's been explained twenty times, and people don't want to hear once.

Being thrifty at RB is a habit of winning teams. Sinking big money into RB is a habit of losing teams. The evidence is beyond overwhelming.

"Oh but it's different this time" - said every losing team
"Oh, but he can be a slot receiver" - say people who haven't looked very hard at what winning teams play their slot receivers
"Oh, but he's a generational swiss-army-knife multi-threat player" - say people trying really hard to make the numbers work
"Oh, but he might last longer than other RBs" - say people who are missing the point that even if he were immortal and invincible, this is a question of cap percentage vs. position value

There really is some weird emotional attachment going on here. I too, white as I am, like watching the whitey run fast and do cool stuff. If he would bust out some dance moves in the end zone, I'd buy him a round in Valhalla. But a big-ass contract would be a poor allocation of resources.

AND HE'S STILL UNDER CONTRACT!

This makes a ton of sense, is hard to argue with, and also made me laugh. I too like watching the whitey run fast and do cool stuff, but no matter how cool that is, it's still poor cap resource management. If you're gonna tell other people that sometimes cold hard decisions are cold and hard, you gotta be able to live with it too. I'd hate to see him walk as good as he is, but yeah there's just too much evidence that giving him a giant contract would be the wrong move.

All I'll say is that I didn't suggest specifically that we convert him to slot receiver, just receiver, and I think if we do that and pay him accordingly there's a chance that could work out to the benefit of all parties.