Albert Breer: Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio could be hired after his contract runs out

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Do you seriously believe that Marty is the head scout?  Or does most of the scouting for the Panthers?

Again, I'm not advocating firing him before the draft, but to say that the team couldn't figure it out, and that everything that Hurney has compiled is just all in his head and not written down, not distributed to the other decision makers and scouts, etc. seems really dumb.

 

Yeah people keep saying that switching GM's after the season but before the draft would be some horrible idea, but I'm not sure I fully understand why that would be the case if true. Your GM doesn't do all the scouting. There are detailed profiles, is having your team take a few days to brief the new GM and bring him up to speed on their evaluations for the year so beyond the realm of possibility?

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yeah people keep saying that switching GM's after the season but before the draft would be some horrible idea, but I'm not sure I fully understand why that would be the case if true. Your GM doesn't do all the scouting. There are detailed profiles, is having your team take a few days to brief the new GM and bring him up to speed on their evaluations for the year so beyond the realm of possibility?

This is my point entirely.

Any good pro personnel guy would somewhat know this roster, give him 3 weeks to consult with Rhule, and he would know the Panthers inside and out.  With all of the scouting companies that we use, all of the national and regional scouts that we employ, it's just dumb to think it's not possible for another person to do just as well as Marty.

Again, not advocating for firing Marty before the draft, but to say it's impossible is not accurate.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is my point entirely.

Any good pro personnel guy would somewhat know this roster, give him 3 weeks to consult with Rhule, and he would know the Panthers inside and out.  With all of the scouting companies that we use, all of the national and regional scouts that we employ, it's just dumb to think it's not possible for another person to do just as well as Marty.

Again, not advocating for firing Marty before the draft, but to say it's impossible is not accurate.

I think this is a good mental exercise to test how realistic or unrealistic such an idea is:

If the GM of any NFL team, Hurney or someone else, keeled over dead today of a heart attack, does that automatically mean said team is screwed when it comes to that year's draft? I have a hard time accepting the notion that the answer to that is yes, and if it isn't, it means that replacing someone is possible even if it's not preferable. Not preferable I can buy, impossible I have a hard time swallowing. You're still 90 days out from the draft. You can't get a competent professional up to speed in 90 days?

[CBDellinger]

 

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Again, not advocating for firing Marty before the draft, but to say it's impossible is not accurate.

Who said impossible?

Its definitely possible, anything is possible, but its a bad idea at this juncture.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, CBDellinger said:

 

Who said impossible?

Its definitely possible, anything is possible, but its a bad idea at this juncture.

Your first post in this thread was "who runs the draft then".

My point, is it wouldn't be that hard at all to find someone to do just that.

And I didn't say it was a good idea, but I have read on this board over and over since Ron was fired that it's too late to fire Hurney....it simply isn't so.  Great idea?  Who knows, but it certainly could be done.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

 

Who said impossible?

Its definitely possible, anything is possible, but its a bad idea at this juncture.

Still somewhat skeptical, but this at least is probably pretty fair. I can see it being something you do if you have to, but isn't preferable.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yeah people keep saying that switching GM's after the season but before the draft would be some horrible idea, but I'm not sure I fully understand why that would be the case if true. Your GM doesn't do all the scouting. There are detailed profiles, is having your team take a few days to brief the new GM and bring him up to speed on their evaluations for the year so beyond the realm of possibility?

Well, the Browns just did it.

 

 

That's probably not the best example to cite 

Seriously though, plenty of teams fire their GM at season's end and have a new one in place within a few weeks. It's certainly possible if you're prepared.

Mind you, it probably would have been difficult for us giving that we were also in the midst of a head coaching search. Both at once had been done before too, but it's pretty complicated and not exactly ideal.

Post draft is when a lot of teams reshuffle or outright broom their scouting departments, so it's probably no surprise that more teams are dating their GM contract expirations post draft.

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Well, the Browns just did it.

 

 

That's probably not a good example to cite..

Seriously though, plenty of teams fire their GM at season's end and have a new one in place within a few weeks. It's certainly possible if you're prepared.

Mind you, I probably would have been difficult for us giving that we were also in the midst of a head coaching search. That's been done before too, but it's pretty complicated.

Post draft is when a lot of teams reshuffle or outright broom their scouting departments, so it's probably no surprise that more teams are dating their GM contract expirations post draft.

Makes sense, but if you're worth 11 billion, a few months pay to get the GM you have decided to move on from is peanuts. I have been hoping they would outright get rid of Hurney after the draft, but I'm getting the sinking feeling that the best we can hope for is some Assistant GM with "input" groomed to replace him at some later date. The thorny problem of not being able to interview the best options without giving them roster control because of teams blocking the interview brings this more sharply into contrast.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Makes sense, but if you're worth 11 billion, a few months pay to get the GM you have decided to move on from is peanuts. I have been hoping they would outright get rid of Hurney after the draft, but I'm getting the sinking feeling that the best we can hope for is some Assistant GM with "input" groomed to replace him at some later date. The thorny problem of not being able to interview the best options without giving them roster control because of teams blocking the interview brings this more sharply into contrast.

I know people like to believe that super rich guys are automatically smart as a male model, handsome as a horse and hung like Einstein. And naturally, they can easily do just about anything amazingly well right from the start regardless of having no experience or training, but none of that is actually true.

I have serious questions as to whether Tepper knows what he's doing when it comes to football decisions. The fact that he actually does seem to trust Marty is definite cause for doubt.

[CBDellinger]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Your first post in this thread was "who runs the draft then".

My point, is it wouldn't be that hard at all to find someone to do just that.

And I didn't say it was a good idea, but I have read on this board over and over since Ron was fired that it's too late to fire Hurney....it simply isn't so.  Great idea?  Who knows, but it certainly could be done.

Well, if you're firing Hurney today then "Who runs he draft?" is a valid question. 

Its never to early or late to fire anyone... when its time, its time.  But when you get rid of someone in a high level position you better know what the next step is, you better have a plan in place to move forward before you do it.     

The role of GM is not plug and play. If everyone could do it, they would... and finding a good GM wouldnt be such a big deal.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know people like to believe that super rich guys are automatically smart as a male model, handsome as a horse and hung like Einstein. And naturally, they can do anything amazingly well regardless of having no experience or training, but it's not actually true.

I have serious questions as to whether Tepper knows what he's doing when it comes to football decisions. The fact that he actually does seem to trust Marty is definite cause for doubt.

I accept the premise that Tepper is extremely smart generally just because of what he's accomplished in business. That sort of thing doesn't happen by accident. I also accept the notion that business smarts don't automatically transfer to football acumen. Chainsaw Dan and Jerry Jones are two prime examples of that. I've been hoping that Tepper's tenure as a minority owner gave him the experience to learn and become competent at the football stuff, but I can't deny that the apparent trust in Hurney is troubling in that regard to say the least.

Also, why would we assume that Einstein isn't packing heat? I like to think maybe we live in a world where the greatest genius of the past century might also have had a prolific pr0n career if only that pesky Relativity Theory hadn't gotten in the way. #Relativitypr0n

[CBDellinger]

Per his own words... Teppers experience at being a minority owner was limited to the business side , he had no input on the football side of things.  When bought the team he was a "rookie."

Guy is learning as he goes, it may be a bumpy ride. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I accept the premise that Tepper is extremely smart generally just because of what he's accomplished in business. That sort of thing doesn't happen by accident. I also accept the notion that business smarts don't automatically transfer to football acumen. Chainsaw Dan and Jerry Jones are two prime examples of that. I've been hoping that Tepper's tenure as a minority owner gave him the experience to learn and become competent at the football stuff, but I can't deny that the apparent trust in Hurney is troubling in that regard to say the least.

Also, why would we assume that Einstein isn't packing heat? I like to think maybe we live in a world where the greatest genius of the past century might also have had a prolific pr0n career if only that pesky Relativity Theory hadn't gotten in the way. #Relativitypr0n

I'll take "Things I could have happily gone my whole life not thinking about" for a hundred, Alex 

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Well, if you're firing Hurney today then "Who runs he draft?" is a valid question. 

Its never to early or late to fire anyone... when its time, its time.  But when you get rid of someone in a high level position you better know what the next step is, you better have a plan in place to move forward before you do it.     

The role of GM is not plug and play. If everyone could do it, they would... and finding a good GM wouldnt be such a big deal.

 

I feel very sure that Rodgers and Carrier could somehow figure it out.  Or bring in Dorsey on a consulting basis.  Not that hard to be honest.

I would be fine with Dorsey long term, although not my first choice.