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2 hours ago, MMA said:

You kind of prove what you’re trying to argue, right. I rather have Josh Allen, Roquan, Mike and Buckner than the other guys. 

I understand where you are coming from, but I definitely have to disagree with taking Roquan over Alexander and Ridley.

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3 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

I understand where you are coming from, but I definitely have to disagree with taking Roquan over Alexander and Ridley.

Ridley has been spectacular at taking Donte’s lunch money away. But he is replaceable. Roquan is a key part to the the bears defense and plays a very important position. Jaire hasn’t prove that he’s a top 10 corner. 

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There was an article recently that shows how financially it was better, meaning paying for 2 later picks (say a 1st and 2nd) equals the salary of 1 higher 1st round pick. There point was your getting a player for 4 years for free. Even though getting one great player is great, I see the upside in more "higher round" picks. 5th and above not so much. Having Luke and all those great top 10 picks didn't get us a Super Bowl (close, but we didn't get one) and really only had 1 magically good year. Having a balanced team with good coaching might be the way (ie: Patriots) and I think that's where we are headed. I would love Simmons at LB with #7. If he's not there, maybe we should drop back if we get the right offer. 

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11 hours ago, MMA said:

I’m not. Allen, Roquan, Mike and Buckner are better players. 

Wrong

What metric are you actually using to make that statement?  PFF scores? or eye test (otherwise known as name recoginition)

Allen is definitely looking better than the other 2 in his draft class, buts hard to say for sure after one year.

Roquan isn't any better at this position then Alexander is at this.  Actually Alexander had a better year relative to his position.  Ridley is just bonus.

Williams isn't better then Adore relative to his position.

Buckner is a really good player, but the other two guys are really good players at their positions also.  Just happens to be positions that don't get noticed as much.

Even if the play at 7 was better (which he isn't in most of the cases) he would have to be substantial better especially if both of the other players were above replacement value.

 

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55 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Wrong

What metric are you actually using to make that statement?  PFF scores? or eye test (otherwise known as name recoginition)

Allen is definitely looking better than the other 2 in his draft class, buts hard to say for sure after one year.

Roquan isn't any better at this position then Alexander is at this.  Actually Alexander had a better year relative to his position.  Ridley is just bonus.

Williams isn't better then Adore relative to his position.

Buckner is a really good player, but the other two guys are really good players at their positions also.  Just happens to be positions that don't get noticed as much.

Even if the play at 7 was better (which he isn't in most of the cases) he would have to be substantial better especially if both of the other players were above replacement value.

 

Good thing you’re not drafting for us. You would’ve passed on Cam Newton, Luke and CMC.

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2 hours ago, MMA said:

Good thing you’re not drafting for us. You would’ve passed on Cam Newton, Luke and CMC.

lol

So that’s the metric you use?

Here again I’m asking what you are basing your opinion that the pick 7s that I listed are better then the combination of the two players I listed in each year. 

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4 hours ago, AU-panther said:

lol

So that’s the metric you use?

Here again I’m asking what you are basing your opinion that the pick 7s that I listed are better then the combination of the two players I listed in each year. 

Productivity, leadership, wins. I rather have a dollar than three quarters. 

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1 hour ago, MMA said:

Productivity, leadership, wins. I rather have a dollar than three quarters. 

but history looks more like 2 quarters than 35 cents.

Actually in most of those cases I reference you traded a dollar for another dollar plus a free player

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