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Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

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41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Based on early good feelings after the Draft? Every fanbase in the league thinks they hit their draft out of the park on an annual basis.

Plenty of people had good feelings about the drafting of Everette Brown and Armanti Edwards too.

Yes, but we are going to have to make decision now- we can't wait for these kids to bust or boom--I cover that point in my post--Rhule said he'd pick Marty as his GM 10 out of 10 times.  You are the owner that just gave him a 7-year contract.  You let Hurney go now?

 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I could live with assigning him to a lesser role, but I'm not sure Marty would be agreeable. Per his own statements, he likes being in charge of the whole thing.

That may be the reason behind Tepper's odd prior statements that he'd "hate to lose him". He might want Marty to take a different job but Marty may not agree with being demoted.

That is probably what will happen--but some want Hurney gone--I did---he then heads a draft that is widely popular and has the new coach's support....

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1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Yes, but we are going to have to make decision now- we can't wait for these kids to bust or boom--I cover that point in my post--Rhule said he'd pick Marty as his GM 10 out of 10 times.  You are the owner that just gave him a 7-year contract.  You let Hurney go now?

Given that I've already basically stated that the full GM role is too big for Marty, yes I do.

Rhule has also said he doesn't like firing people. If one of his coordinators turns out to be terrible, are we going to keep them in place just to make Rhule happy also?

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14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That is probably what will happen--but some want Hurney gone--I did---he then heads a draft that is widely popular and has the new coach's support....

At what point did popularity with the fans less than a week out become a good standard by which to measure a draft?

And let's be real: We don't actually even know if Matt Rhule is going to be any good at his own job yet.

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Hurney did a great job with the draft and it doesn't take 3 years to figure that out. We all agree his win- loss record sucks since he came back but all these other things he supposedly sucks like contracts I haven't seen since he came back. For example the contract with CMC was pretty reasonable given his value to this team. I understand the dislike from Hurney 1.0 but the failure of folks to show adaptation and change around here is pretty amazing.

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Given that I've already basically stated that the full GM role is too big for Marty, yes I do.

Rhule has also said he doesn't like firing people. If one of his coordinators turns out to be terrible, are we going to keep them in place just to make Rhule happy also?

That might make sense if he was expected to do the whole role. But we are bringing in folks to help him and that is what should have happened under tight wad Richardson. Tepper wants collaboration and working together which is one of Hurney's strengths.

And if one of Rhule's ' coordinators turns out to be terrible it will be up to Rhule to fix it or move on. I thought you said head coaches control the coaches. Why would we make the decision? Isn't it his??

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I think the coach we have on a 7 year deal should have a lot of say in whether we keep Marty or not, that’s really what it boils down to.

can Marty get Rhule and others the pieces they need to be a Super Bowl champ and consistent winner? 

I’ve seen far more talented rosters we’ve fielded go to waste because of Inept coaching more than roster depletion causing an issue. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

That might make sense if he was expected to do the whole role. But we are bringing in folks to help him and that is what should have happened under tight was Richardson. Tepper wants collaboration and working together which is one of Hurney's strengths.

And if one of Hurney's coordinators turns out to be terrible it will be up to Rhule tobfix it or move on. I thought you said head coaches control the coaches. Why would we make the decision? Isn't it his??

He already had folks to help him. We just changed who they were (Rob Rogers to Samir Sulieman, for example).

What Tepper has been talking about is basically a split GM system, but the understanding among pretty much everybody is that it's really just on the job training for Marty's replacement.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

He already had folks to help him. We just changed who they were (Rob Rogers to Samir Sulieman, for example).

What Tepper has been talking about is basically a split GM system, but the understanding among pretty much everybody is that it's really just on the job training for Marty's replacement.

Did we have a capologist? No. 

And Hurney would agree that he would be glad to train his replacement. He is well into his sixties and isn't going to do this forever. That was the original plan when he came in 2017.

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