Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

[Bytes]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All I get from you is that when Cam is involved, the record matters (his record being an overall winning one on an overall losing record of a franchise, mind you) but when it's a player you actually like, it's the ultimate team sport.

You just don't like Cam for whatever reason. Simply admit that and move on.

The record matters for every one. But for the sake of conversation, take out his game record, then look at his stats. Tell me, just based on his stats, compared to his peers, what do you see? 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Compare his CAREER numbers to:

* Rodgers
* Brees
* Brady
* Wilson
* Ryan
* Mahomes
* Even Wentz
* Cousins
* Watson
* Prescott
* Big Ben
* Rivers

I'm am not going to include Jackson, Murray or Minshaw because their careers are just starting in the effort of being fair. But if you were that would be almost half of the league that is better statistically. Because for me, I like to compare performance to peers not by internal franchise records. How many times did Cam compete against Delhomme? Cam stats are what they are, you can deflect all you want. it wont change them.
 

Hey, watch me list a bunch of guys with many more seasons under their bet than Cam and then want to compare their careers as apples vs. apples.

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

First shoulder surgery was March 30, 2017.

Here's what Cam said about it in an article in June 2017:

**His injury issues peaked when he hurt his shoulder in Week 14. He ended up playing through the injury, which is in the process of healing now. So, why did he wait until late March to have surgery?

"I figured it would heal on its own," Newton said. "I was trying to get the proper treatment, overtreatment. Get it stretched, get a massage, get the ice, stem, everything. Over time I was like, 'You know what? It's just not getting better.'

"So when I came back to Charlotte, I got another MRI, and by that time, everything had pretty much cleared up. It wasn't as swollen as it was during the season so they could see and it showed up as a partially torn rotator cuff.**

Cam taking ownership and no mention of the team altering any kind scheduling, etc...  If I remember correctly the follow-up exam was delayed because Cam wanted to attend a wedding on the west coast.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-cam-newton-hits-important-checkmark-in-recovery-from-shoulder-surgery/

Tolbert doesn't know what he's talking about.

@Cpt slay a ho

Works both ways, what motive did Tolbert have for mentioning that info if all of it’s a lie ? And if any of it’s true I doubt cam would come out and say they mismanaged his injury, truth might be somewhere in the middle. Regardless doesn’t really hurt the current regime since Ron got  fired and tepper just got here

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

The record matters for every one. But for the sake of conversation, take out his game record, then look at his stats. Tell me, just based on his stats, compared to his peers, what do you see? 

I don't think the numbers are going to paint the picture you want when you include the rushing stats. But please, keep moving the goal posts. Your field already looks like a prairie dog town.

[Bytes]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hey, watch me list a bunch of guys with many more seasons under their bet than Cam and then want to compare their careers as apples vs. apples.

Ok , take the season AVERAGES. Sio tell me what do you see???

[Bytes]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think the numbers are going to paint the picture you want when you include the rushing stats. But please, keep moving the goal posts. Your field already looks like a prairie dog town.

yeah they will. Weve been through this excercise before. So tell me....take the passing and rushing totals for all and compare. And for the record I like my QBs to good at passing more than anything else... you know ...for longevity.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Ok , take the season AVERAGES. Sio tell me what do you see???

Why would I do the work for you? You hatred of Cam should fuel your desire to compile that info if you feel so strongly it'll support your case. Be sure to look at the overall percentage of yards and TDs they're responsible for in the overall offense while you're compiling those numbers, please.

[Bytes]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why would I do the work for you? You hatred of Cam should fuel your desire to compile that info if you feel so strongly it'll support your case. Be sure to look at the overall percentage of yards and TDs they're responsible for in the overall offense while you're compiling those numbers, please.

if i said something about Cam that wasnt true or made a personal attack then you could label me a hater. Sorry i havent done either. As a matter of fact, when some here have made it personal I defended him.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Bytes said:

if i said something about Cam that wasnt true or made a personal attack then you could label me a hater. Sorry i havent done either. As a matter of fact, when some here have made it personal I defended him.

Shouldn't you be compiling numbers right now? Don't talk numbers if you don't want to do the work.

[RASTAN66]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's interesting that when CMC is discussed, it's the ultimate team sport yet when Cam is discussed that "you are what your record says you are". BTW, Cam has a winning record as a starting QB with quite a few wins to spare.

Fair or not, the QB is viewed as the CEO....the buck stops with him. 

That said, personally I wouldn't place the long-term ineptitude of this franchise at Cam's feet...

...Jerry Richardson owns that.  He was an awful owner. 

Speaking of Cam's feet, the Panthers doctors advised against foot surgery so Tolbert can't claim the timing of that was manipulated by the Panthers.  Cam sought another opinion from the preeminent foot doctor in the world and he too advised against surgery...

...so Tolbert has no basis to suggest the Panthers manipulated that situation.  Sure appears Cam just doctor shopped until he found one who thought surgery was a good idea.  Whose fault is that?

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Bytes said:

Compare his CAREER numbers to:

* Rodgers
* Brees
* Brady
* Wilson
* Ryan
* Mahomes
* Even Wentz
* Cousins
* Watson
* Prescott
* Big Ben
* Rivers

I'm am not going to include Jackson, Murray or Minshaw because their careers are just starting in the effort of being fair. But if you were that would be almost half of the league that is better statistically. Because for me, I like to compare performance to peers not by internal franchise records. How many times did Cam compete against Delhomme? Cam stats are what they are, you can deflect all you want. it wont change them.
 

What career numbers exactly are you looking for?

Strictly yardage, completions, and TD:INT ratio? We aren't going to include his production on the ground the same way we include McCaffrey's production as a receiver?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

What career numbers exactly are you looking for?

Strictly yardage, completions, and TD:INT ratio? We aren't going to include his production on the ground the same way we include McCaffrey's production as a receiver?

Whatever numbers he can try to twist to paint the picture he wants. He's moved the goal posts all over the field already. It's looking like a freshly aerated green on a golf course in here.

[Bytes]

59 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Shouldn't you be compiling numbers right now? Don't talk numbers if you don't want to do the work.

Ive posted numbers

Less than 60%

Less than 2:1 TD ratio

Never had a 100 passing rating season

85 career passing rating

ONE 4k season in 9 years

Thats pedestrian at best

 

Again you say something, this time Its im a Cam hater with no proof. Then hes not signed because of injury while others are being signedbwith injuries..on and on....disappointing. 

 

Im done with this as long as no one makes it personal i will never talk about this again because most of you are irrational about Cam. Name calling etc..SMH...All in your feelings.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Ive posted numbers

Less than 60%

Less than 2:1 TD ratio

Never had a 100 passing rating season

85 career passing rating

ONE 4k season in 9 years

Thats pedestrian at best

 

Again you say something, this time Its im a Cam hater with no proof. Then hes not signed because of injury while others are being signedbwith injuries..on and on....disappointing. 

 

Im done with this as long as no one makes it personal i will never talk about this again because most of you are irrational about Cam. Name calling etc..SMH...All in your feelings.

Yep, just as I figured. No mention of rushing stats. No mention of percentage of overall yards and TDs accounted for.

You're way too predictable.