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Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

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onmyown Grand Master

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Only extremely biased cam fans would compare a 31 year old running QB that has had 4 major surgeries and hasn’t played in 2-3 years Looking for his third contract and a 22 year old RB who happens to be the best in the NFL...and just got his first contract after 3 years of experience...

like where in the hell do you find a comparison in that? there’s no comparison in any sense, period

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11 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Only extremely biased cam fans would compare a 31 year old running QB that has had 4 major surgeries and hasn’t played in 2-3 years Looking for his third contract and a 22 year old RB who happens to be the best in the NFL...and just got his first contract after 3 years of experience...

like where in the hell do you find a comparison in that? there’s no comparison in any sense, period

The comparison was only made to mock ridiculously faulty logic being used by a certain poster. It was a mocking comparison.

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15 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

Camfan, and not an expert.  But I recall the Panthers wanting him to come back to team after IR and Cam flying off to MN get a (3rd?) opinion.    Made sense on Cam's part, not wanting to come back to a dumpster fire and souring his total take on a new contract.  But I think from that moment Tepper wrote him off.

That dumpster fire was 5-2 with the two losses being his two starts... That makes no sense.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, just as I figured. No mention of rushing stats. No mention of percentage of overall yards and TDs accounted for.

You're way too predictable.

OK.....I love a challenge.  I dont speak about things unless I can back it up....apparently you dont.

Since you asked...Cams career total yards/TDs for regular season including RUSHING stats.

Total yds: 33847

Total TDs: 240

Notes: Cam surpassed 4k yds 3 times in his 9 yr career. ZERO times over 5k. 2 times over a 90 QB rating. 3 times over 60% completion rate

For comparison I used the hated ,skinny, slow, noodle armed Matt Ryan over the SAME 9 yrs span:

Total yds: 42155

Total TDs: 258

Notes: Ryan surpassed 4k yds 9 times in in the 9 yr span. TWO times over 5k. 7 times over a 90 QB rating. The other 2 times he was over 89. 9 times over 60% completion rate. 

And by the way one is in Cali hosting a passing camp for his teammates, the other is posting on Instagram showing off his abs.

Are we good now?

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

That dumpster fire was 5-2 with the two losses being his two starts... That makes no sense.

See my post...now what exactly is the faulty logic. Be specific.

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6 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK.....I love a challenge.  I dont speak about things unless I can back it up....apparently you dont.

Since you asked...Cams career total yards/TDs for regular season including RUSHING stats.

Total yds: 33847

Total TDs: 240

Notes: Cam surpassed 4k yds 3 times in his 9 yr career. ZERO times over 5k. 2 times over a 90 QB rating. 3 times over 60% completion rate

For comparison I used the hated ,skinny, slow, noodle armed Matt Ryan over the SAME 9 yrs span:

Total yds: 42155

Total TDs: 258

Notes: Ryan surpassed 4k yds 9 times in in the 9 yr span. TWO times over 5k. 7 times over a 90 QB rating. The other 2 times he was over 89. 9 times over 60% completion rate. 

And by the way one is in Cali hosting a passing camp for his teammates, the other is posting on Instagram showing off his abs.

Are we good now?

 

 

 

 

124 games vs. 143 games. That seems a very fair comparison.

You always claim to not be a "hater" but you always have to take completely unnecessary shots. If you simply admitted you didn't like Cam for some reason which is blatantly obvious, I'd simply say, "Okay, fine." But I just enjoy watching you do mental gymnastic seemingly trying to convince everyone of your completely unbiased and purely numbers based opinions. LOL!

 

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2 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

Fair or not, the QB is viewed as the CEO....the buck stops with him. 

That said, personally I wouldn't place the long-term ineptitude of this franchise at Cam's feet...

...Jerry Richardson owns that.  He was an awful owner. 

Speaking of Cam's feet, the Panthers doctors advised against foot surgery so Tolbert can't claim the timing of that was manipulated by the Panthers.  Cam sought another opinion from the preeminent foot doctor in the world and he too advised against surgery...

...so Tolbert has no basis to suggest the Panthers manipulated that situation.  Sure appears Cam just doctor shopped until he found one who thought surgery was a good idea.  Whose fault is that?

Whether you know it or not you proved Tolbert’s point or the one he’s trying to make, if team drs voted against survey, which obviously didn’t fix the issue, than cam opted into surgery, which one poster loud and clear protested that cam was intentionally delaying surgery...... the team drs botched it, costing him the rest of the season when if he opted for surgery he’d likely could have returned. 

makes complete sense when you factor in the timeline that kept getting pushed back week after week 
 

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

124 games vs. 143 games. That seems a very fair comparison.

You always claim to not be a "hater" but you always have to take completely unnecessary shots. If you simply admitted you didn't like Cam for some reason which is blatantly obvious, I'd simply say, "Okay, fine." But I just enjoy watching you do mental gymnastic seemingly trying to convince everyone of your completely unbiased and purely numbers based opinions. LOL!

 

LOL..Lets add to the list of O Line, Coaches, WRs, RBs, FO...now you cant compare seasons because he missed time! LOL!

OK..bye...you are pathetic. Cut me off IDGAF.

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16 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK.....I love a challenge.  I dont speak about things unless I can back it up....apparently you dont.

Since you asked...Cams career total yards/TDs for regular season including RUSHING stats.

Total yds: 33847

Total TDs: 240

Notes: Cam surpassed 4k yds 3 times in his 9 yr career. ZERO times over 5k. 2 times over a 90 QB rating. 3 times over 60% completion rate

For comparison I used the hated ,skinny, slow, noodle armed Matt Ryan over the SAME 9 yrs span:

Total yds: 42155

Total TDs: 258

Notes: Ryan surpassed 4k yds 9 times in in the 9 yr span. TWO times over 5k. 7 times over a 90 QB rating. The other 2 times he was over 89. 9 times over 60% completion rate. 

And by the way one is in Cali hosting a passing camp for his teammates, the other is posting on Instagram showing off his abs.

Are we good now?

 

 

 

 

You are doing very skewed comparison, I’m not going to advocate for cam being an elite passer or anything close to it but you threw those stats up for Ryan as if he doesn’t have Julio Jones to throw too. 

also for all the stats you’ve listed for Ryan, cam has a better playoff win percentage, and virtually the same if not better success than Ryan who’ve you used as a comparison chart. So in closing you rather have the guy who is a better passer but still ends up in the same position as the inferior passer ?  
 

 

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23 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Whether you know it or not you proved Tolbert’s point or the one he’s trying to make, if team drs voted against survey, which obviously didn’t fix the issue, than cam opted into surgery, which one poster loud and clear protested that cam was intentionally delaying surgery...... the team drs botched it, costing him the rest of the season when if he opted for surgery he’d likely could have returned. 

makes complete sense when you factor in the timeline that kept getting pushed back week after week

Dr. Robert Anderson is not a team doctor....nor are Cam's personal doctors.

Whether you know it or not Cam's visit with Dr. Anderson in Green Bay was actually the 3rd opinion he received on the foot....these include Cam's personal doctors, the Panthers team doctors, and finally Dr. Anderson.

All arrived at the same place -- don't operate.

 

cam footj.png

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19 minutes ago, Bytes said:

LOL..Lets add to the list of O Line, Coaches, WRs, RBs, FO...now you cant compare seasons because he missed time! LOL!

OK..bye...you are pathetic. Cut me off IDGAF.

It seems as if pointing out the difference in games played would be very relevant if one was looking to do a truly fair comparison, but as I've pointed out several times, I already knew that you had no interest in that whatsoever.

Sorry I pointed out your very obvious agenda and that pissed you off.

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5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You are doing very skewed comparison, I’m not going to advocate for cam being an elite passer or anything close to it but you threw those stats up for Ryan as if he doesn’t have Julio Jones to throw too. 

also for all the stats you’ve listed for Ryan, cam has a better playoff win percentage, and virtually the same if not better success than Ryan who’ve you used as a comparison chart. So in closing you rather have the guy who is a better passer but still ends up in the same position as the inferior passer ?  
 

 

Oh because he throws to JJ skewers the stats??? Ill add that to the excuse list for Cam...also do you know Ryan has the third highest QB rating of all time in the playoffs? Their win lost record in the playoffs is not because of him. And no they are not in the same position...one has a team, better record and stats. The other is unemployed.

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It seems as if pointing out the difference in games played would be very relevant if one was looking to do a truly fair comparison, but as I've pointed out several times, I already knew that you had no interest in that whatsoever.

Sorry I pointed out your very obvious agenda and that pissed you off.

Sorry if YOU continue to move the goal post.

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12 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Dr. Robert Anderson is not a team doctor....nor are Cam's personal doctors.

Whether you know it or not Cam's visit with Dr. Anderson in Green Bay was actually the 3rd opinion he received on the foot....these include Cam's personal doctors, the Panthers team doctors, and finally Dr. Anderson.

All arrived at the same place -- don't operate.

 

cam footj.png

That doesn’t excuse the team drs, looks like every dr was wrong except the one who told cam surgery was the fix. Now connecting that to the cam begging the team to let him have surgery is a monumental stretch for the average joe but I can see what Tolbert might have been referring too, the guy doesn’t have any bad blood with the old or new panthers regime. 

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