Dane Bruglers updated top 10 mock draft

[Aussie Tank]

I have read the man has had no proper QB coaching which he is now getting and will be unbelievable when unveiled 

[TheRumGone]

Allen looking like an MVP candidate and if you look at his last year in Wyoming he only threw for 200+ yards 4 times in 11 games his last year. Against their best competition, Oregon, he had 64 passing yards total. Vs fuging Air Force he had 70 total passing yards. 16 total passing tds that season. That’s why you look for NFL traits with some of these guys. Doesn’t mean Lance doesn’t have the chance to bust but this is why teams take chances on players like Allen and Lance. Prospects like this need to go to good situations with good coaching and organizations with patience. I think we have all three. These prospects need to be coachable, hard working and talented. Lance has all three.
 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7/gamelog/2017/

[TheRumGone]

10 hours ago, Varking said:

I need my quarterback to throw the ball. 200 yards isn’t a huge ask. He was averaging 155 passing yards a game. 38.75 passing yards a quarter. Don’t ignore the fact that in their biggest game of the season last year they asked him to only throw 10 times. They asked him to run 30 times. If I had a true top 10 pick QB at my FBS school I’d take full advantage of throwing. 
If you have Zach Wilson do you just throw the ball 10 times and lean on the run? No, because throwing the ball is a strength of what he does. 

They didn’t ask him to run it 30 times. Those weren’t all designed runs. He scrambled a ton when JMU would not stop blitzing. 

[Varking]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

They didn’t ask him to run it 30 times. Those weren’t all designed runs. He scrambled a ton when JMU would not stop blitzing. 

They ran plays that had no check down options to counter this non stop blitzing? 

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

They ran plays that had no check down options to counter this non stop blitzing? 

I’m just responding to you saying they asked him to run it 30 times. They didn’t. Jmu blitzed and Lance scrambled...for first downs...a lot. 
 

look I get people looking at his game and saying no it’s too risky at 9. I think we should take the chance because he shows that he has the ability to be elite with proper coaching and patience. He could bust. There are no guarantees.

[Varking]

19 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Allen looking like an MVP candidate and if you look at his last year in Wyoming he only threw for 200+ yards 4 times in 11 games his last year. Against their best competition, Oregon, he had 64 passing yards total. Vs fuging Air Force he had 70 total passing yards. 16 total passing tds that season. That’s why you look for NFL traits with some of these guys. Doesn’t mean Lance doesn’t have the chance to bust but this is why teams take chances on players like Allen and Lance. Prospects like this need to go to good situations with good coaching and organizations with patience. I think we have all three. These prospects need to be coachable, hard working and talented. Lance has all three.
 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7/gamelog/2017/

I’ve always understood why teams would take a chance on Lance. I’ve written about it previously many times. I think Josh Allen is a very unique situation. Wyoming doesn’t get very talented players compared to their competition. Most years they are a .500 football team. Trey Lance plays for the Patriots version of the Football sub division... they have better coaching and more talent than 100% of their opponents. 

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m just responding to you saying they asked him to run it 30 times. They didn’t. Jmu blitzed and Lance scrambled...for first downs...a lot. 
 

look I get people looking at his game and saying no it’s too risky at 9. I think we should take the chance because he shows that he has the ability to be elite with proper coaching and patience. He could bust. There are no guarantees.

Oh I know what you were trying to say with that I just believe that calling hike and running 30 times with a QB in the NFL is going to make your Uber athlete QB go from being a 10-15 year QB to a 4-5 year QB. I don’t want an elite runner. I want an elite thrower. He doesn’t appear to be that. 

[Mother Grabber]

11 hours ago, BrianS said:

Lance is not like Aaron Rodgers.  Trey Lance is Cam Newton lite.  It's really that simple.  And all due respect, but he's played against far lesser competition in his college career than Cam did.

you mean like the JUCO teams Cam played against? or do you mean his one year at Auburn where he had 280 pass attempts and 265 rush attempts. where the defense held Oregon to 75yds in the championship game and they still only won by 3?

[TheRumGone]

Just now, Varking said:

Oh I know what you were trying to say with that I just believe that calling hike and running 30 times with a QB in the NFL is going to make your Uber athlete QB go from being a 10-15 year QB to a 4-5 year QB. I don’t want an elite runner. I want an elite thrower. He doesn’t appear to be that. 

See you’re looking at Lance’s playing style and think coaches are gonna ask the same thing of him in the pros. They’re not. I don’t think Lance can run wild like that in the pros. But he has movement that will aid him in making plays.  So what you’re looking for is how he throws the ball, can he read the field, can he throw with anticipation, how do his feet look, can he throw with velocity into small windows. The answers are yes he can but he hasnt shown it consistently like a prospect like Lawrence. A lot of that reason is because NDSU is dominant and he’s throwing to wide open dudes. That’s not the case all the time. So you deep dive into tape to see if there are instances where he’s had to. And he has. So you project, ok can we get this guy to do this consistently in the nfl? Do we take that chance at 9? I think we should. Some people don’t think that and that’s ok. I bring up Allen because they are somewhat comparable in that regard. 

[Varking]

Just now, Mother Grabber said:

you mean like the JUCO teams Cam played against? or do you mean his one year at Auburn where he had 280 pass attempts and 265 rush attempts. where the defense held Oregon to 75yds in the championship game and they still only won by 3?

The one where Cam Newton was the offense at Auburn against SEC competition including Alabama. And even then... running 20 times a game just shortened his career. 

[Mother Grabber]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

The one where Cam Newton was the offense at Auburn against SEC competition including Alabama. And even then... running 20 times a game just shortened his career. 

yes, for one season. it's not like he had a career of quality play against top competition. he had one season with a dominant defense, and did as much work with his legs as he did with his arm.

[Varking]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

See you’re looking at Lance’s playing style and think coaches are gonna ask the same thing of him in the pros. They’re not. I don’t think Lance can run wild like that in the pros. But he has movement that will aid him in making plays.  So what you’re looking for is how he throws the ball, can he read the field, can he throw with anticipation, how do his feet look, can he throw with velocity into small windows. The answers are yes he can but he hasnt shown it consistently like a prospect like Lawrence. A lot of that reason is because NDSU is dominant and he’s throwing to wide open dudes. That’s not the case all the time. So you deep dive into tape to see if there are instances where he’s had to. And he has. So you project, ok can we get this guy to do this consistently in the nfl? Do we take that chance at 9? I think we should. Some people don’t think that and that’s ok. I bring up Allen because they are somewhat comparable in that regard. 

Reading the field would typically allow him to find check down targets when teams are blitzing. He’d rather run. You don’t think he was coached up better by the guys winning the National Championship every year? He had a chance to showcase himself in one game this year and he completed half his passes and had to resort to running a ton.... again. 

[Varking]

1 hour ago, Mother Grabber said:

yes, for one season. it's not like he had a career of quality play against top competition. he had one season with a dominant defense, and did as much work with his legs as he did with his arm.

He sure did. And running him into the ground was best for his health? Did Cam get a ton more accurate in the pros? Too many people thought Cam could get easily coached up to this 65% completions guy and still be a major threat with his legs. We had him here for years and did the same thing every coach who has had him did was, run him into the ground. NFL hits aren’t college hits. Lingering small injuries can mess with your throwing motion and mechanics. He’s going to get dinged up with the rate in which he bails from the pocket to run.

[TheRumGone]

7 minutes ago, Varking said:

Reading the field would typically allow him to find check down targets when teams are blitzing. He’d rather run. You don’t think he was coached up better by the guys winning the National Championship every year? He had a chance to showcase himself in one game this year and he completed half his passes and had to resort to running a ton.... again. 

Yes I think with nfl coaching and practice he could throw to check downs lol. He’s shown he can throw to check downs in games. If you don’t wanna draft a qb because you don’t think he can throw a check down on a blitz then uh ok. Another big thing was he’s only played one season and one game. So if you don’t think he can learn more and hone in on his craft then ok.