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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure that we know what he is. We know what he is under Nagy, but I'm not so sure that Nagy isn't another Gase.

All I'm saying is that it's not difficult to imagine a scenario where Trubisky ends up being our best bad option or a decent stop gap for say a Trey Lance. If you draft Lance I don't think you can plan on him being your day one starter. Maybe he proves that he can, but I wouldn't want that to be the plan.

I think the story for Trubisky has largely been written, but perhaps he is an outlier. 

I agree about Lance but I still don't want to be paying another backup caliber QB a big contract. 

The scenarios probably don't work out to even sign him, in all honesty. I can't see us spending big on a QB if we cut Teddy or if we keep Teddy. I am skeptical of being able to trade Teddy.

Maybe we will have more of an idea about the direction we will go when free agency starts. 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the story for Trubisky has largely been written, but perhaps he is an outlier. 

I agree about Lance but I still don't want to be paying another backup caliber QB a big contract. 

The scenarios probably don't work out to even sign him, in all honesty. I can't see us spending big on a QB if we cut Teddy or if we keep Teddy. I am skeptical of being able to trade Teddy.

Maybe we will have more of an idea about the direction we will go when free agency starts. 

I just don't see $8.5M as "big" at QB. Teddy was a middle of the road paid QB at 3 years/$63M/$33M guaranteed. I wouldn't want to give Trubisky anywhere near that but $8.5M? Sure. There's also a decent chance he shows enough to get signed elsewhere and then ends up factoring into the comp pick formula the following year.

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just don't see $8.5M as "big" at QB. Teddy was a middle of the road paid QB at 3 years/$63M/$33M guaranteed. I wouldn't want to give Trubisky anywhere near that but $8.5M? Sure. There's also a decent chance he shows enough to get signed elsewhere and then ends up factoring into the comp pick formula the following year.

That would be a top 5 backup QB contract last season. I don't see any reason to pay that for him. If we had cash like the Jags or Colts or Pats....sure. But we don't.

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14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That would be a top 5 backup QB contract last season. I don't see any reason to pay that for him. If we had cash like the Jags or Colts or Pats....sure. But we don't.

Insurance. You caught up on this backup idea. That's the plan IF everything else works out. Everything very well may not work out. 

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Insurance. You caught up on this backup idea. That's the plan IF everything else works out. Everything very well may not work out. 

I am caught up on the money plus I don't really view him the same way you do. I view him as a better backup option than Walker and Grier but not too much more than that.

I don't view him as capable of starting for an NFL team for more than a couple of games a season. The Bears just didn't have a lot of great options. 

I am primarily caught up on tying up that kind of money on a subpar player. With that $8-9 mil, we could get some serious help on the OL or in the secondary. 

I just can't envision being able to justify spending that on a player of his caliber.

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I am caught up on the money plus I don't really view him the same way you do. I view him as a better backup option than Walker and Grier but not too much more than that.

I don't view him as capable of starting for an NFL team for more than a couple of games a season. The Bears just didn't have a lot of great options. 

I am primarily caught up on tying up that kind of money on a subpar player. With that $8-9 mil, we could get some serious help on the OL or in the secondary. 

I just can't envision being able to justify spending that on a player of his caliber.

I get it. I'm just looking at a significantly more talented QB than Teddy at a significantly reduced price point.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I am caught up on the money plus I don't really view him the same way you do. I view him as a better backup option than Walker and Grier but not too much more than that.

I don't view him as capable of starting for an NFL team for more than a couple of games a season. The Bears just didn't have a lot of great options. 

I am primarily caught up on tying up that kind of money on a subpar player. With that $8-9 mil, we could get some serious help on the OL or in the secondary. 

I just can't envision being able to justify spending that on a player of his caliber.

So you don't think with capable coaching, weapons and system he can turn into at least Steve Beuerlein?

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I get it. I'm just looking at a significantly more talented QB than Teddy at a significantly reduced price point.

If we can magically get out of Teddy's contract via a trade, I am probably not as caught up on the money. I don't know that he would ultimately be better than Teddy but we would get to see something different at least. 

Trubisky is largely bad but when he is clicking he can put on a show. I guess that would at least give you 2-3 good games a year to watch versus the 16 straight check-down-a-thons.

Trubisky is also a lot more likely to net us a top 5 pick, so there is that. I guess we could try this tanking again.

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17 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

So you don't think with capable coaching, weapons and system he can turn into at least Steve Beuerlein?

It is possible. Steve was technically a journeyman backup that had his peak in Carolina. That isn't a bad comparison, as I view Trubisky as a career backup.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It is possible. Steve was technically a journeyman backup that had his peak in Carolina. That isn't a bad comparison, as I view Trubisky as a career backup.

I mean Stevie B was the top passer in the league one year for us.

Wasn't it over 4k yds?

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6 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I mean Stevie B was the top passer in the league one year for us.

Wasn't it over 4k yds?

It was. He also had another 3700+ season for us. But, he played in the NFL for 14 years and only had 4 years over 2500 yards passing. 3 of them were with us.

Still think he was the second best QB in franchise history(no disrespect to Jake) but he never reproduced those results anywhere before or after us.

I don't know that I see that in Trubisky but he was given a lot more opportunities than Steve was early in his career. Perhaps if he does have that sort of peak it could be in the next few years.

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36 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It was. He also had another 3700+ season for us. But, he played in the NFL for 14 years and only had 4 years over 2500 yards passing. 3 of them were with us.

Still think he was the second best QB in franchise history(no disrespect to Jake) but he never reproduced those results anywhere before or after us.

I don't know that I see that in Trubisky but he was given a lot more opportunities than Steve was early in his career. Perhaps if he does have that sort of peak it could be in the next few years.

I've got them 

1.Jake

2aCam

2b Steve

 

I'm sorry but Jake while he was healthy was magical. Made more big plays with his arm than the other guys.

(I don't rank QBs based on longevity or running abilities.) 

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2 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

I've got them 

1.Jake

2aCam

2b Steve

 

I'm sorry but Jake while he was healthy was magical. Made more big plays with his arm than the other guys.

(I don't rank QBs based on longevity or running abilities.) 

1. Cam

 

6a. Steve B

6b. Jake

 

The gulf between Cam the other two is very wide. Cam was an elite NFL player and league MVP. Jake and Steve were great stories and fine QB's bit none of them ever dominates the way Cam was able to. Teams had to game plan around him.

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57 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

1. Cam

 

6a. Steve B

6b. Jake

 

The gulf between Cam the other two is very wide. Cam was an elite NFL player and league MVP. Jake and Steve were great stories and fine QB's bit none of them ever dominates the way Cam was able to. Teams had to game plan around him.

Cam couldn't throw.

He really couldn't. The reason we went and got Benjamin and Funchess is because he was constantly air mailing guys especially deep outs.

He was just a bad passer especially in clutch plays. He constantly came up short at the end of games when he had to have a completion.

Great football player. Great running threat. Slightly above average passer. He did have a cannon. 

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