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Yeah, you moved the goalposts when it became apparent that he is a legit first round prospect. When you said you didn't want him, there weren't any qualifiers. As a matter of fact, you said that you hope someone else takes him.

Moved the goalposts? I’ve been clear in my preferences are Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and then Lance, in that order. Is he who I want? No. I want Lawrence. Can’t get Lawrence? Next I’d want Wilson. Can’t get Wilson? Next I’d want Fields. Can’t get Fields? Then I’d want Lance. I would not want Lance if any of the other three are on the board. Pretty simple to follow. 
 

As for when it became apparent he is a first round talent? When have I said he wasn’t a first round talent? 

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6 minutes ago, Varking said:

Moved the goalposts? I’ve been clear in my preferences are Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and then Lance, in that order. Is he who I want? No. I want Lawrence. Can’t get Lawrence? Next I’d want Wilson. Can’t get Wilson? Next I’d want Fields. Can’t get Fields? Then I’d want Lance. I would not want Lance if any of the other three are on the board. Pretty simple to follow. 
 

As for when it became apparent he is a first round talent? When have I said he wasn’t a first round talent? 

You said you didn't want Lance without any qualification, that's what you said. Own up to it!

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3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You said you didn't want Lance without any qualification, that's what you said. Own up to it!

I’ve never written “I don’t want Lance without any qualification” in my life until just now. Stop trying to tell others how they think. You haven’t got a clue. 

Ive written it for you like three other times now. I only want Lance if Fields, Wilson and Lawrence are all off the board. And if he is drafted by us before the others are gone I’d still understand why we would draft him. 
 

If you are still confused after this conversation then that’s an issue with you, not me. Just a post ago you wrote some drivel about me moving goalposts after it became apparent Lance was a first round talent… I’d like to ask you to pull the quote where I said he wasn’t a first round talent. 

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20 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’ve never written “I don’t want Lance without any qualification” in my life until just now. Stop trying to tell others how they think. You haven’t got a clue. 

Ive written it for you like three other times now. I only want Lance if Fields, Wilson and Lawrence are all off the board. And if he is drafted by us before the others are gone I’d still understand why we would draft him. 
 

If you are still confused after this conversation then that’s an issue with you, not me. Just a post ago you wrote some drivel about me moving goalposts after it became apparent Lance was a first round talent… I’d like to ask you to pull the quote where I said he wasn’t a first round talent. 

That wasn't in quotes. The "without qualifications" part was a description of what you said and the context in which you said it. You said that "I don't want Lance," or something almost verbatim, and you know you did!

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That wasn't in quotes. The "without qualifications" part was a description of what you said and the context in which you said it. You said that "I don't want Lance," or something almost verbatim, and you know you did!

When you seemed confused about how I felt about Lance I clarified for you. I then have done it multiple times now. Now is the third time I’m asking you to produce the quote where I claimed he wasn’t a first round talent.
 

You’ve posted a ton here. I know you aren’t stupid or malicious. I think with the amount you post you have me confused for somebody else. 

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When you seemed confused about how I felt about Lance I clarified for you. I then have done it multiple times now. Now is the third time I’m asking you to produce the quote where I claimed he wasn’t a first round talent.
 

You’ve posted a ton here. I know you aren’t stupid or malicious. I think with the amount you post you have me confused for somebody else. 

Did you not say that you didn't want Lance (full stop)? Did you not say that you hope someone else gets Lance (full stop)? Yes or no?

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Did you not say that you didn't want Lance (full stop)? Did you not say that you hope someone else gets Lance (full stop)? Yes or no?

Produce. The. Quote. Where. I. Said. He. Wasn’t. A. First. Round. Talent.

 

Or admit you lied. 

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I was wrong to assume you weren’t malicious or stupid. Haven’t pegged which one it is yes. But I was wrong about that and I’m sorry. 

Yeah, trying to move the goalposts again by saying that I said that you said he wasn't a first round prospect. You know he's a first round prospect. That's too damned easy. You just like to talk negatively about him like he's not! I think you're chicken poo for not being man enough to admit what you said and the manner in which you said it!

It's OK to clarify statements that beg for clarification. It's OK to change or modify your opinion once you gain more facts. What is not OK is to act like you were always on board with Lance when from your statements, you clearly weren't.

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Yeah, trying to move the goalposts again by saying that I said that you said he wasn't a first round prospect. You know he's a first round prospect. That's too damned easy. You just like to talk negatively about him like he's not! I think you're chicken poo for not being man enough to admit what you said and the manner in which you said it!

It's OK to clarify statements that beg for clarification. It's OK to change or modify your opinion once you gain more facts. What a not OK is to act like you were always on board with Lance when from your statements, you clearly weren't.

You’re on an internet message board talking about being chicken? Are you going to invite me to meet you at the flagpole at 3:30 after school to throw down? 
 

I don’t want us to draft Lance. My want is to grab Wilson or Fields, realistically. If we miss out on them and we grab Lance am I going to be mad? Absolutely not. And no I haven’t always been on board with any of these QBs. 
 

If Sewell somehow drops I’d rather grab him than reach for a Jones or Mond. If you believe me being critical of him is me trashing him then you are being dramatically soft. I can spend plenty of time being critical of any of the QB prospects. None of them are slam dunks. 
 

I wrote Lance can work on his accuracy and to you that means I don’t believe he’s a first round talent? That’s you making up stuff to be hurt about. I said Lance is my QB4 for like two months now and somehow that means to  you that I don’t think he’s a first round talent. That’s you making stuff up to be hurt about. 
 

We are too old for you to be this dramatic. 

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You’re on an internet message board talking about being chicken? Are you going to invite me to meet you at the flagpole at 3:30 after school to throw down? 
 

I don’t want us to draft Lance. My want is to grab Wilson or Fields, realistically. If we miss out on them and we grab Lance am I going to be mad? Absolutely not. And no I haven’t always been on board with any of these QBs. 
 

If Sewell somehow drops I’d rather grab him than reach for a Jones or Mond. If you believe me being critical of him is me trashing him then you are being dramatically soft. I can spend plenty of time being critical of any of the QB prospects. None of them are slam dunks. 
 

I wrote Lance can work on his accuracy and to you that means I don’t believe he’s a first round talent? That’s you making up stuff to be hurt about. I said Lance is my QB4 for like two months now and somehow that means to  you that I don’t think he’s a first round talent. That’s you making stuff up to be hurt about. 
 

We are too old for you to be this dramatic. 

Yeah, whatever with all your dramatics...

I have been as consistent as anyone saying that Lance will take time to transform into a pro. I have consistently said that all he needs is development (as any QB transitioning from college) and reps! I stand by it. There are no reservations, no pontifications and no vacillations! 

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Yeah, whatever with all your dramatics...

I have been as consistent as anyone saying that Lance will take time to transform into a pro. I have consistently said that all he needs is development (as any QB transitioning from college) and reps! I stand by it. There are no reservations, no pontifications and no vacillations! 

Happy you are backing him. It bothers me 0. Hope your day gets better, friend. 

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Happy you are backing him. It bothers me 0. Hope your day gets better, friend. 

My day is great! I suspect that yours aren't considering the same old tired modus operandi you use when someone challenges your b.s.

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