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New coach, new coordinator, new players?

Mr. Scot

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Mr. Scot

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Since it's established that a lot of folks are unhappy with the 'yo-yo' pattern of the Panthers seasons, the question can be asked as to what it takes to get off the rollercoaster and become consistent winners.

So if it's up to you to fix it, how do you get it done?

The options...

New Players? Is it just a matter of not having the right guys at a few key positions (QB, WR, DL, other)? Would getting new people in those spots via draft or free agency take the team to the next level? If so, at which spots?

New Coordinators or Assistants? Changes were made in the defensive coaching staff this past season, and now the defense - even with injuries to account for - seems to be playing better. Is a similar change needed on the offensive side among longtime assistants like Richard Williamson and Jim Skipper? Or is the answer perhaps new coordinators in place of Jeff Davidson and Danny Crossman? If this is your choice, who stays and who goes?

New Coach or GM? The most radical answer. Is the whole system infected? Is it necessary to get a whole new head coach and/or new GM? If so, why? "Fox sucks" is not a good enough answer. It needs to be justified with specific reasons.

Combinations are an option, but if you're forced to pick only one, which one do you take?

("none of the above" is, of course, also a viable choice)

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Included under "New Coach" as an option (just not in the title)

Fox and Hurney have been described as a "package deal" before (Yasinskas). It's possible you drop one without the other, but I admit it seems unlikely.

Busted. I just think we need a football guy making the personnel decisions. That is the only thing that really bothers me.

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The general thesis of the huddle is that Fox is too conservative and will make games unnecessarily close. This obviously results in an increase in the uncertainty of results and fluctuations in the W-L record from season to season even though the team doesn't necessarily get a lot better or worse.

My theory is different. In the NFL I see three types of team.

Firstly the no hopers that just don't have the all round talent to compete. These are rebuilding teams (e.g. Bucs, Rams, Chiefs) and the badly run teams (Browns, Bills, Raiders).

Secondly are the competitive teams which number about 20. They are generally well run and some years they win, others they don't. A majority of the league is so close that enough games come down to luck or a few big plays that the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 isn't all that great.

Third are the consistent winners. They probably have a great QB (Colts, Patriots) or an awesome defense (Steelers). They also have another advantage, a weak division. The Eagles and Giants would probably be consistent winners in the Colts and Patriots divisions.

The fact is that its damn hard to get 11+ wins a season unless you're going at least 4-2 in your division every year.

I estimate that if we were to hit the reset button then in 3 years we'd have a 1/6 chance

of being a consistent winner, a 1/6 chance of sucking and 2/3 chance of being about as good as we are now.

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Plug in a SOLID quarterback (like the Jake of old days, not spectacular, but mistake-free) and a dominant defensive tackle and suddenly this team would be cruising through games, even playing Foxball.

With the same personnel we have now, a coaching change would be necessary... either in coordinators or HC. Unfortunately, none of us on here truly know how the playcalling power is spread out, so suggesting dumping Fox over Davidson, or vice versa, is rather pointless.

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Winning football game depends more on the Coordinators then the Coach. Give me a Good O and D coordinators and I will give you a SB. Fox has never understood that. Look what Meeks has done for our D in 1 year and look what Davidson has not done with 3. All the Coach needs to do then is let them do there job and make sure there making good choices.

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One more huge receiver. Huge as in quality. We could really use that dependable second receiver, so that when defenses see them, they have to make a stand. Either stop the run, or the pass. You can't do both.

Get a new quarterback. Like the man above me said, a guy like Jake of old. No great, but has the capability of winning a game or two, and doesn't turn the ball over.

Also, a kick returner. A guy like Mark Jones was for us last year, or the way Allan Rossum used to be for Atlanta. Not a guy who is going to return every kick (which would be great to have, but hard to find), but a guy who can give you good, solid field position every single time he hits the field.

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The general thesis of the huddle is that Fox is too conservative and will make games unnecessarily close. This obviously results in an increase in the uncertainty of results and fluctuations in the W-L record from season to season even though the team doesn't necessarily get a lot better or worse.

My theory is different. In the NFL I see three types of team.

Firstly the no hopers that just don't have the all round talent to compete. These are rebuilding teams (e.g. Bucs, Rams, Chiefs) and the badly run teams (Browns, Bills, Raiders).

Secondly are the competitive teams which number about 20. They are generally well run and some years they win, others they don't. A majority of the league is so close that enough games come down to luck or a few big plays that the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 isn't all that great.

Third are the consistent winners. They probably have a great QB (Colts, Patriots) or an awesome defense (Steelers). They also have another advantage, a weak division. The Eagles and Giants would probably be consistent winners in the Colts and Patriots divisions.

The fact is that its damn hard to get 11+ wins a season unless you're going at least 4-2 in your division every year.

I estimate that if we were to hit the reset button then in 3 years we'd have a 1/6 chance

of being a consistent winner, a 1/6 chance of sucking and 2/3 chance of being about as good as we are now.

Take you logic and reasoning elsewhere, no one's buying here.;)

Good post. Rep if I could.

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