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Why you don't fire John Fox

Matt Foley

By Matt Foley,
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It's a valid discussion, but the name that always comes up in my mind is Tony Dungy.

Suppose the Bucs had stuck with Dungy? Would he have won there? Or was a change the catalyst that was needed to get both the Bucs and Dungy to their respective Super Bowls?

The same situation could happen here, though if it does I hope we pick a better successor than Tampa did. After that one year, Gruden was generally the picture of mediocrity.

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It's ironic to think that the Titans' success last year came from benching Young in favor of Collins, and their (small amount of) success this year came from benching Collins in favor of young.

In both cases, Fisher has shown a willingness to bench whomever is entrenched as the starter -- that's something I don't think Fox is willing to do.

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But guys, the Titans are 3-6 right now. We could learn a lot from them.

They were either 0-5 or 0-6 after that 59-0 debacle at New England, and everyone said "he's lost the team, he needs to go." Now they are playing like the team that went 13-3 last year, and things look bright for next year.

Fox is a top 10 coach. If you're dumb enough to run him off, you get what you deserve.

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It's ironic to think that the Titans' success last year came from benching Young in favor of Collins, and their (small amount of) success this year came from benching Collins in favor of young.

In both cases, Fisher has shown a willingness to bench whomever is entrenched as the starter -- that's something I don't think Fox is willing to do.

If Fox had a quarterback that was a top-five draft choice he would.

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They were either 0-5 or 0-6 after that 59-0 debacle at New England, and everyone said "he's lost the team, he needs to go." Now they are playing like the team that went 13-3 last year, and things look bright for next year.

Fox is a top 10 coach. If you're dumb enough to run him off, you get what you deserve.

LOL. Sorry, top 10 coaches actually get back-to-back winning seasons. Last years team would have been 8-8 or 9-7 if we didn't play the Raiders, Lions, Chiefs, and any other terrible team on our schedule.

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If Fox had a quarterback that was a top-five draft choice he would.

I realize that Fox has only once drafted in the top five, and that he made a great decision in drafting Peppers. Still, that he doesn't have a better option at quarterback is no one's fault but his own.

I started running over the league's coaches, and I think you may very well be right that Fox is in the top ten. But you can't possibly agree with the offensive playcalling this year. Do you think we're seeing the offense run solely by Davidson, without Fox meddling?

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Instead of looking at Buffalo this year, look at Tennessee. You give a guy who has proven himself over the long run the benefit of the doubt.

Fisher has had a long tenure in Tennessee with some success.

But in his 14 years there he has had 6 seasons where he's finished above .500 and 8 seasons where he's finished at .500 or below. This season like will make it 9 losing seasons.

6 of those winning seasons they made the playoffs and 3 of those were one and out. Winning a playoff game 3 times in 14 years certainly isn't a water mark I'd like us to be satisfied with.

That's not good enough for me, sorry. :piggy:

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It's ironic to think that the Titans' success last year came from benching Young in favor of Collins, and their (small amount of) success this year came from benching Collins in favor of young.

In both cases, Fisher has shown a willingness to bench whomever is entrenched as the starter -- that's something I don't think Fox is willing to do.

Slightly different. Titans hit a low we have yet to achieve, 0-6 and a historiacal loss to the patriots. Vince Young was a top 5 choice who already took the team to the playoffs, and was proably the future anyway.

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They were either 0-5 or 0-6 after that 59-0 debacle at New England, and everyone said "he's lost the team, he needs to go." Now they are playing like the team that went 13-3 last year, and things look bright for next year.

Fox is a top 10 coach. If you're dumb enough to run him off, you get what you deserve.

Well Fisher may still have lost the team. Only reason they are winning now is because the owner had to step in and tell Fisher to start Young. So yeah, your thread = Fail.

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Slightly different. Titans hit a low we have yet to achieve, 0-6 and a historiacal loss to the patriots. Vince Young was a top 5 choice who already took the team to the playoffs, and was proably the future anyway.

I know they are different circumstances, but my point remains that Fisher has been willing to make the change whereas Fox has not. I don't think many people can deny that Delhomme has been more detrimental to the Panthers this season than Collins has to the Titans.

And if the Panthers were to stick with the guy with the proven track record, then Fox would not be here. Siefert would.

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