The drought is getting pretty long

[Toomers]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Scorched earth is rarely successful in the NFL. 

Neither is building a team to finish 5-11and wasting 80M for the “culture”

 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Neither is building a team to finish 5-11and wasting 80M for the “culture”

 

Yeah, I mean we are saying the same thing 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

You ain't seen nothing yet.

This team is now the PUNCHING BAG of the NFL. poo owner, poo coaches, no draft picks, no hope. This team won't make the playoffs in the 2020's. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

1 hour ago, Lets get it Canes said:

Would anyone really care anymore if Tepper sold and this team was moved? This team used to be my life. Now, I hate it. Such piss poor ran organization. 

I honestly wouldn't care if they picked up and moved to St Louis or Toronto.

Question is, why would those cities accept this franchise? Imagine all that real estate that could be used for something productive instead of a big ass stadium to hold weekly ass whoopings from a visitor team?

Edited January 16, 2022 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[Toomers]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I mean we are saying the same thing 

I don’t think we are. You said scorched earth rarely works. But very few teams have tried and the last couple got better in a year or two. So did the 2011 Colts for Luck. And this very team in 2010. That worked out. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I don’t think we are. You said scorched earth rarely works. But very few teams have tried and the last couple got better in a year or two. So did the 2011 Colts for Luck. And this very team in 2010. That worked out. 

But you named two teams in 12 years.

[Toomers]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

But you named two teams in 12 years.

That’s 4. CLE, MIA, INDY, CAR

You haven’t shown one team that tanked and stayed bad. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

That’s 4. CLE, MIA, INDY, CAR

You haven’t shown one team that tanked and stayed bad. 

Raiders, Browns, Bengals.

They stayed bad for years.

The history of NFL rebuilds is not kind.

But, continue to think it is, David.

[L-TownCat]

27 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I would say that you are optimistically assuming the damage done by Rhule this year in the draft, future draft picks  and in cap space  will not get worse 

and that Rhule will be gone in 2023 AND Tepper will hire competency 

candidly, after 4 years of Tepper, that’s a whole lot of optimism

i hope you are right 

 

I acknowledge there’s no good reason to expect it.  I guess it seems too common-sensical.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Raiders, Browns, Bengals.

They stayed bad for years.

The history of NFL rebuilds is not kind.

But, continue to think it is, David.

That’s not because they tanked. It was just as much incompetence from trying to just be competitive. From horrible front offices. The Raiders did on 2018, then went 7-9,8-8, and 10-7 this year. So that’s 5. What specific years did these teams just tank for picks and cap space? 

 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Toomers said:

That’s not because they tanked. It was just as much incompetence from trying to just be competitive. From horrible front offices. The Raiders did on 2018, then went 7-9,8-8, and 10-7 this year. So that’s 5. What specific years did these teams just tank for picks and cap space? 

 

These teams rarely intentionally tank. They tank because they have incompetent leadership.

We are an example of a successful tank(2010) but that is far from the norm. 

Also, we didn't gut the roster like we did after 2019. That is something that you rarely see in the NFL.

[davos]

I guess a follow up would be how would've done anything differently:

I'd like to think Tepper would have recognized he was brand new to this from the start and gotten a NFL exec committee together--IDing a GM that could manage and lead a HC search with his vision in mind.  It would have resulted maybe with an inner-circle type hyped HC who had a vision in line with the GMs.  And let them predicate if they wanted Cam or not.   Hell, the McCaskey's are doing this, same with Mara.  

Bienemy, Stefansky, Eferblus, maybe even Kellen Moore could've worked better.  Experienced, hard-nosed non "hype" guys.  Then with that a season early (when it should have happened) have them manage in line with their vision.  If it was an experienced guy, I don't see a Hurney-Rhule contract frenzy spree on a Robbie Anderson or re-signing CMC.  It would be a lines out retooling with a GM & Coach in lockstep and starting together at the same time.      

The reworked roster would've maintained some guys we didn't, we would've identified a better "bridge" or honestly, hell, Bridgewater could've been fine as that bridge QB.  We would've monitored the last draft differently, and then honestly could have had been simply much further along and in position to draft a QB right now. 

It's all just unfortunate.    

 

[davos]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

These teams rarely intentionally tank. They tank because they have incompetent leadership.

We are an example of a successful tank(2010) but that is far from the norm. 

Also, we didn't gut the roster like we did after 2019. That is something that you rarely see in the NFL.

Yeah the single-year turnover was like 75+% of the 53-man.  It was insane.  I remember an article from back then that highlighted it was one of the highest year-to-year turnover in the modern NFL or something.  Need to dig that up

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, davos said:

Yeah the single-year turnover was like 75+% of the 53-man.  It was insane.  I remember an article from back then that highlighted it was one of the highest year-to-year turnover in the modern NFL or something.  Need to dig that up

That was why I was so skeptical it could ever work. TBH, it probably will lead to an almost decade long slump.