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Pass rusher at 6


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57 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Linderbaum won’t live up to pick 6. The best C in the SB was Allen from the Rams. He was picked 10 picks after our own Ian Thomas, SMH. Great IOL draft like 2019 where we took 0 IOL. I even remember is discussing Allen as Kalil was done with his neck/shoulder at that point. Thanks Marty.

We can get a good C next year, heck might be an Allen or Kelce or Tretter or Jones or Bozeman in this year’s draft. All five were 4th or 6th rounders. Taking a C at 6, regardless of Linderbaum being good, is a terrible move.

Tom Brady sixth round pick, yadda yadda yadda. 

Won't live up to pick 6. Who does? Ever? Could he live up to being a first round draft pick? He certainly could and no matter where the pick is made, that's the real measuring stick.

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55 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

even if it isn't meaningless there are more things to consider.  

Cleveland just released Tretter, who by most accounts is a top-10 center, for cap reasons.  His salary this year was going to be around $8m.

#6 pick is going to cost $8m a year, why would you use an $8m pick to draft a guy that at best saves you about $8m in free agency.  If he turns out average you are losing value.

A top-10 LT or edge will cost you $20m in free agency, if you draft a LT and he turns out just average you are still adding value at $8m.

People get caught up with this idea of importance, you also have to look at replacement cost.

Positional value relative to winning and losing on the field isn't the same as positional value relative to cap dollars.

another way to look at it:

Lets assume Cross and Linderbaum both turn out good.

Draft Linderbaum for Center and sign Armstead for LT, total cost will be around $28-30mm

Draft Cross for LT and sign Tretter for Center, total cost will be around $16-18m.

You just saved $10m that you can spend on another player.

 

 

Your math makes a good point. But there are more failed OTs than failed C. A bad pick of either one is still a bad pick. 

And I worry about picking up a starting center that another team just cuts. We did that with Paradis and Elflein pretty much. The guys we have aren't smart buyers on the used car lot of the NFL.

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

How many successful QBs are day 3 picks? I just gave you 5 Cs that were in the news from the SB winner and today/yesterday’s free agent news and gave you 5 day 3 solid starting centers. Tom Brady has no bearing on this because he’s the exception. A successful 1st round C is more of an exception. Kelly and Bradbury were picked 18th overall and their PFF ratings this year were 56.9 and 60.2. Right now, the bulk of the best centers are guys drafted on day 2 and 3.

Linderbaum could do well and he still isn’t worth the pick. For the same money we can get a solid FA C. Pick 6 should be a guy who could be a stud at a key position. LT, DE and QB should be all we go here.

I guess we'll see how it goes.

They'll probably take a back-up, back-up long snapper.

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I haven’t been less interested in a draft, ever. There’s 0 discussion in here but at least we can further criticize the Darnold and CJ trades if the Jets and Jags come away with really good players with our picks.

All I know is that we aren't getting good players with those picks. I have so little faith in this coaching/managing staff that I don't trust any of their picks. 

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