MC9's skill set is greater than Baker's.

[rippadonn]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Baker a failed quarterback? I want what you are smoking. Baker took a terrible team and turned them into a playoff team in 3 years. In fact he is one of the best QBs to ever play for Cleveland.  The only failure here is your post.

Too short, too slow, too cocky. That's what THEY said. Maybe you should listen to people who know this QB better than you.

Put the sauce down. He doesn't have the traits and couldn't put it together despite the cool commercial and being the hopes and dream of a city.

He failed and WILL fail. Not elite. Stop putting scrubs on a pedestal.

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Too short, too slow, too cocky. That's what THEY said. Maybe you should listen to people who know this QB better than you.

Put the sauce down. He doesn't have the traits and couldn't put it together despite the cool commercial and being the hopes and dream of a city.

He failed and WILL fail. Not elite. Stop putting scrubs on a pedestal.

Fitterer said he talked to a lot of guys who went to bat for Mayfield unsolicited. Everyone he talked to had positive comments.  He turned the Browns around from a joke to contender and will do the same here.  He is a proven winner every where he has gone. No reason to think this will be any different.  You seem the one out in left field on this one.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Funny how folks on the Corral train have literally no NFL play to back them up yet he is already the best talent. He is the most physically talented yet he has no combine stats or pro day stats at all.  Truth is there is virtually no evidence that he is or was a better quarterback in college or he is more physically athletic than Mayfield who is a proven commodity.  I understand extreme fandom but this is ridiculous.  We all hope Corral is excellent but the jury is out. His college numbers look a lot like another college qb we drafted in the third round, Will Greer who threw for the same 8 thousand yards in 3 years first at Florida and then at West Virginia.

It's the classic "late round hope" syndrome. I think Corral was a decent gamble for when we picked him(wouldn't have personally traded up to get him) but all this "the future" talk is ludicrous. The odds of a 3rd round or later panning out into a franchise QB are incredibly small. 

The level of hype isn't really warranted nor is it healthy for the fans. We saw the same thing with Will Grier and he didn't pan out.

I'm hopefully Corral is the guy and develops but I am not expecting that. It's also insane to be saying he is better than Baker Mayfield without a single down in the NFL. 

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am no sure what specific drugs you got into but Matt Corral doesn't have nearly the arm talent that Baker Mayfield does. Nor is he capable of making some of the throws Baker is.

Doesn't mean he might not prove to be a better NFL QB, given Baker's inconsistent play in his career. However, there is literally no question about the talent level disparity.

You and others are just utterly drunk on the Baker Kool-Aid, making crazy claims about Baker's arm talent being one of the best in the NFL (yeah, you said that) and saying that Corral is not even in the same league when it comes to Baker's "physical gifts." I think y

Corral can not only run circles around Baker, but he can make every throw in the book, has a faster release, can throw off platform, has as legitimate an arm as he not only bested Goldilocks in a QB throwing contest by heaving the ball 77 yards, but he chucked the ball 60 yards off-platform against Bama last season (with relative ease, I might add). For all the talk of Baker's 70-yard Hail Mary, it was akin to a contest as he had PLENTY of time. Moreover, I'd say that Corral is arguably better at layering his throws right now, and that he's simply a better QB off-platform, and is arguably more consistent with his mechanics inside and outside the pocket which has been somewhat of an issue for Mayfield at times, especially in crunch time.

The question with Corral is not really about his arm talent, it is about his ability to master more complete NFL concepts and learn to make the proper reads on a consistent basis (which is also something Mayfield apparently has issues with to this day). 

For all of your bluster about Mayfield's arm talent, Lance Zierlein's NFL comp for Corral was ironically Baker Mayfield in his draft profile. Zierlein didn't comp Corral to Mayfield for Baker's running prowess. Moreover, Zierlein has also mentioned similarities to Zach Wilson who everyone knows was regarded as an arm talent wizard during 2021's draft season. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/matt-corral-draws-comparisons-to-2-recent-top-3-nfl-draft-picks/amp/

 If Corral can maximize a hybrid Mayfield-Wilson skill set passing while also pulling his running skills out his bag and using them safely, we'll have a helluva QB once he puts everything all together from a skill set-perspective alone. If he masters the Xs and Os of the position, then he'll eclipse what Mayfield has done, period!

Edited July 13, 2022 by top dawg

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

He might be good, but one could argue Baker is so young he hasn't even hit his prime.  That being said, I love Corral's tape.  

I mean....he is 27. I definitely can't buy into that argument. 

This is just a copy and paste of the Darnold support. It's just as bad of a defense for a player now as it was then.

You can either play in this league or you can't. That's the bottom line. It doesn't take most QB's years to figure that out.

[rippadonn]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Fitterer said he talked to a lot of guys who went to bat for Mayfield unsolicited. Everyone he talked to had positive comments.  He turned the Browns around from a joke to contender and will do the same here.  He is a proven winner every where he has gone. No reason to think this will be any different.  You seem the one out in left field on this one.

No real teams were falling over themselves to sign this guy.

That's all you need to know.

Maybe the team got better and he couldn't.

Dude was on his way to the streets. This was a good ol boy hookup.

Edited July 13, 2022 by rippadonn

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Fitterer said he talked to a lot of guys who went to bat for Mayfield unsolicited. Everyone he talked to had positive comments.  He turned the Browns around from a joke to contender and will do the same here.  He is a proven winner every where he has gone. No reason to think this will be any different.  You seem the one out in left field on this one.

You are wasting your breath. This is literally the guy that claims the #1 attribute for any QB is how tall they are.

Reference his insane claims every draft for whatever 7th round QB is 6-5+.

[rippadonn]

Stop putting poo on a pedestal. Should have learned from the last one.

[rippadonn]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

You are wasting your breath. This is literally the guy that claims the #1 attribute for any QB is how tall they are.

Reference his insane claims every draft for whatever 7th round QB is 6-5+.

Matt Corral is taller than everybody.

And YOU are correct.

[rippadonn]

I care about ACCURACY first. Height comes after.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

No real teams were falling over themselves to sign this guy.

That's all you need to know.

Maybe the team got better and he couldn't.

Dude was on his way to the streets. This was a good ol boy hookup.

It is Cleveland. They traded for a guy who won't play this year. Then they trashed Baker. He got a raw deal which is great for us. Baker has got a huge boulder on his shoulder and is going to give it his all. I for one think he he is the real deal.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

It is Cleveland. They traded for a guy who won't play this year. Then they trashed Baker. He got a raw deal which is great for us. Baker has got a huge boulder on his shoulder and is going to give it his all. I for one think he he is the real deal.

He smells just like Sam to me. They said the same things about him. 

What about this team or Baker makes this a better situation than the Browns?

Nothing.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You and others are just utterly drunk on the Baker Kool-Aid, making crazy claims about Baker's arm talent being one of the best in the NFL (yeah, you said that) and saying that Corral is not even in the same league when it comes to Baker's "physical gifts." I think y

Corral can not only run circles around Baker, but he can make every throw in the book, has a faster release, can throw off platform, has as legitimate an arm as he not only bested Goldilocks in a QB throwing contest by heaving the ball 77 yards, but he chucked the ball 60 yards off-platform against Bama last season (with relative ease, I might add). For all the talk of Baker's 70-yard Hail Mary, it was akin to a contest as he had PLENTY of time. Moreover, I'd say that Corral is arguably better at layering his throws right now, and that he's simply a better QB off-platform, and is arguably more consistent with his mechanics inside and outside the pocket which has been somewhat of an issue for Mayfield at times, especially in crunch time.

The question with Corral is not really about his arm talent, it is about his ability to master more complete NFL concepts and learn to make the proper reads on a consistent basis (which is also something Mayfield apparently has issues with to this day). 

For all of your bluster about Mayfield's arm talent, Lance Zierlein's NFL comp for Corral was ironically Baker Mayfield in his draft profile. Zierlein didn't comp Corral to Mayfield for Baker's running prowess. Moreover, Zierlein has also mentioned similarities to Zach Wilson who everyone knows was regarded as an arm talent wizard during 2021's draft season. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/matt-corral-draws-comparisons-to-2-recent-top-3-nfl-draft-picks/amp/

 If Corral can maximize a hybrid Mayfield-Wilson skill set passing while also pulling his running skills out his bag and using them safely, we'll have a helluva QB once he puts everything all together from a skill set-perspective alone. If he masters the Xs and Os of the position, then he'll eclipse what Mayfield has done, period!

Dude, I am not sure what you got into or if there is some specific Corral fan club you joined but that is the ravings of a lunatic.

Baker Mayfield DOES have one of the best arms in the NFL. That was his reputation coming in and it's a big reason why he went #1 overall. Disputing that only really serves to make you look foolish. 

All that arm talent hasn't made Baker Mayfield an elite QB because that's not how the NFL works. It takes way more than just natural talent to be successful in the NFL. Right now, he hasn't shown he is an elite QB and it's very debatable if he is a starting QB in the NFL. This is his shot to prove he deserves more shots at even just being considered a starting caliber NFL QB.

Matt Corral is a decent mid-to late round talent. That's literally it. He doesn't have any specific elite attribute other than his quick release. He's not an elite athlete, he doesn't have an elite arm, he hasn't shown to be elite in terms of processing, etc, etc.

That also doesn't mean he can't be an elite QB or even just a starting QB in the NFL. That's not how this works. It's up to him to figure out how to put everything together and become an elite player, regardless of talent level.

But to claim he is some HOF caliber QB in the wings is INSANE. You are setting yourself up to look like a complete buffoon on a relatively long shot gamble.

It's a free country, so good luck with that but I don't think this is gonna end well for you in the long run.

 

[top dawg]

54 minutes ago, dynomite said:

Luckily you don’t have to long jump too often as a quarterback….. putting all your hopes and dreams into a 3rd round pick is an interesting move. But he went in the 3rd for a reason. If he were so talented and so physically gifted his draft stock would have reflected it.  

Have you asked yourself why he really went third? Throw in the huge fact that he was hurt and missed performing during the critical part of the draft season, including the Combine, and really didn't have time to prepare properly for his Pro day, plus was unfairly besieged by a bunch of trumped up nonsense about alcohol and other issues stemming from a fight (where no punches were thrown) at a rich-kid high school, and he slid. Arguably, his talent wasn't the primary reason he was a day 3 pick. Now even if you think that it was, there have been day 3 picks that have excelled. Questions about Corral's ability to succeed in the NFL have not really been about what he has done, but what he didn't do in College due to playing in a Lane Kiffin offense.