I know we won but this offense is garbage

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

I don’t know why or if that is even the case man. I just said that I hope that it is the case. 
 

if we want leverage some use cases.. we could say..

1. New system and using incremental game planning to gradually work through the playbook 

2. baker has only been here for 3 months and probably doesn’t know the entire playbook 100.%

3. The plays are there but the team is not executing

 

that’s all I got.

It's possible that they aren't  opening up the playbook very far, but they really need to flip the pages to the poo that works.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

It's possible that they aren't  opening up the playbook very far, but they really need to flip the pages to the poo that works.

Yeah, number 1 seems the most feasible. I will say that I have yet to see repetitive plays called week to week. That’s encouraging. Even formations have changed week to week.  I’ve seen the same play called multiple times in the second game but not across multiple games like we did with joe Brady 

Edited September 26, 2022 by TheCasillas

[AlphabetsEnd]

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I really don't agree that he's been successful.  Just because the Browns have been awful at QB doesn't mean he's got real franchise QB potential.  He had a good season in 2020 because it looked like he was improving, but he has regressed since then.  His decision making and accuracy are too poor to be a good QB.

Cleveland was 0-16 when I was introduced to this obnoxious QB from Oklahoma. 1-15 the year prior. They won 7 games or more every year since, including 11, and a playoff win. 

It's the most success CLE has had since the new era. This also does mention the records/ranking he holds on the all-time CLE lists. 

He didn't regress in 2021. He was injured, with up to 6 injury designations at one point. He had one of the best rookie seasons by a QB ever, had a poor sophomore season, a strong third, and an injured fourth. 

He is playing his worst football NOW.  

He looks worse in Carolina than he ever did in CLE, including the latter half of 2021, when those injuries destroyed his mechanics and further pushed his decision making to poo. 

He's very possible a ruined QB now. But he was a success in the least successful sports franchise. 

As an ex-CLE fan it's crazy making to me how people rewrite the history of that franchise. 

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I don’t know why or if that is even the case man. I just said that I hope that it is the case. 
 

if we want leverage some use cases.. we could say..

1. New system and using incremental game planning to gradually work through the playbook 

2. baker has only been here for 3 months and probably doesn’t know the entire playbook 100.%

3. The plays are there but the team is not executing

 

that’s all I got.

Definitely true that Baker is still in the process of learning the offense as he goes. Probably would have helped not to have wasted practice reps in a farce competition. In year three if the players are continuing to struggle executing it's on the head coach. My fear is this is much more than just not opening up the playbook this is what a Rhule and McAdoo offense looks like and Baker is what the Browns concluded he was when they made his services available. Matt Rhule of all people should know running CMC like a powerback has not worked and will not be sustainable. We must find a real passing attack or this season is already effectively over and no some check downs to Shenault do not qualify. This is why the 49ers game is checkmarked as my first big let's see where we're at game. If Shanahan goes in dry we need to clean house.

[TheCasillas]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

Definitely true that Baker is still in the process of learning the offense as he goes. Probably would have helped not to have wasted practice reps in a farce competition. In year three if the players are continuing to struggle executing it's on the head coach. My fear is this is much more than just not opening up the playbook this is what a Rhule and McAdoo offense looks like and Baker is what the Browns concluded he was when they made his services available. Matt Rhule of all people should know running CMC like a powerback has not worked and will not be sustainable. We must find a real passing attack or this season is already effectively over and no some check downs to Shenault do not qualify. This is why the 49ers game is checkmarked as my first big let's see where we're at game. If Shanahan goes in dry we need to clean house.

I understand why you have brought 49ers into the equation now. Im watching the condensed replay of the game now...  im seeing some conerns on our O that isnt going to fall on McAdoo ... not defending him. But Im extremely concerned about DJ... 

[TheCasillas]

Speaking of offense being garbage..... Tremble and DJ collide into each other on a third down.  Tremble is on a deep route and DJ is on a zig... I will say it appears that DJ goes too long before he begins his zig. If he stays shallow, it turns into a bigger gain, and Baker doesnt have to hold onto the ball too long.

[TheCasillas]

Tell me whats wrong with this max protect..... 

[AlphabetsEnd]

14 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

 im seeing some conerns on our O that isnt going to fall on McAdoo ... not defending him. But Im extremely concerned about DJ... 

Effort? Poor routes? Does he have a cold or fever? 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, AlphabetsEnd said:

Effort? Poor routes? Does he have a cold or fever? 

It appears once a corner gets their hands on him... he is pretty much taken out of the play. We need to get creative by moving him around on the LOS to avoid those situations.

[TheCasillas]

watching some NFL+ .... Laviska cant fuging block. also, he was definitely in the game way more than I thought. Ive counted over 10 plays now. I've also found we have a weakness on the left side of the line against stunts....

[frankw]

18 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I understand why you have brought 49ers into the equation now. Im watching the condensed replay of the game now...  im seeing some conerns on our O that isnt going to fall on McAdoo ... not defending him. But Im extremely concerned about DJ... 

Poor route running? He's been up and down with his effort going back to last season but things have never been this bad. We can assign blame to the players when they mess up but as others have noted look at the turnaround and results for some teams rosters that were bad and had simialr problems now with a fresh coaching staff. Example the Jaguars. I will definitely check in when you post your breakdown of the game though thanks.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

DJ didn't all of a sudden become a bad receiver.  

Neither did Robby Anderson with his fumbles but this is Matt Rhule's team.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

DJ didn't all of a sudden become a bad receiver.  

he did just get paid, and he is on record saying he doesnt love football and never watched it growing up either. I am not saying its a contributing factor, but there is a mental aspect to this stuff

[TheCasillas]

Here is that infamous 4th down play... this one is on Baker... believe it or not Baker wasnt as bad as what we saw today. Our O-line (Ickey mainly) took away some throws for Baker. So Baker has to get this ball out fast.. I think they were expecting man, but Saints went zone... which makes it even more important that Baker delivers this ball to DJ or CMC right out the gate. Here is a screenshot right when Baker gets to his drop.