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Tanking does not guarantee a good QB

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Jackie Lee Grand Master

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10 hours ago, saX man said:

It takes being in position to take the guy you want.  That's all that matters.  You don't want to feel like a guy fell into your lap or you're settling.  You're in position, and get the guy you want.  

Brady is an outlier so with that in mind, just look at the final 4 QBs in recent years...don't even know what this means, if anything shows coaching matters just as much, but it's a lot of high end R1 QBs:

2021: Mahomes (R1), Burrow (1 Overall), Stafford (1 Overall), Jimmy G (R2)

2020: Rodgers (R1), Brady, Allen (R1), Mahomes (R1)

2019: Tannehill (R1), Mahomes (R1), Rodgers (R1), Jimmy G (R2)

2018: Goff (1 Overall), Brees (R2), Brady, Mahomes (R1)

2017: Bortles (R1), Brady, Cousins (R4), Wentz/Foles (R1/2)

2016: Rodgers (R1), Ryan (R1), Ben (R1), Brady

2015: Palmer (R1), Cam (1 Overall), Peyton (1 Overall), Brady

2014: Luck (1 Overall), Brady, Rodgers (R1), Russ (R3)

Can't wait until Brady retires...jeeez

Interesting. So Stafford, Goff, and Burrow are the only #1 overall picks to make it to the conference championships since Cam did it in 2015? Stafford and Goff both got there with McVay. Burrow willed his average team into it. It would be helpful to have the actual spots the R1 guys were taken, probably the most relevant guys going forward this year are Allen (pick #7) and Mahomes (pick #10)

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I think people are giving a little too much thought into QBs that WIN the Super Bowl in association to drafting a QB. A lot has to go into one winning it all. Usually a great coach and good roster plus a little luck. When looking at our first round pick in a vacuum we just need the best QB available. Our staff needs to hire the right coach and build a solid team around him after that. 
Rivers, McNair, Kelly, Marino, Moon all never won but that doesn’t mean Foles, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Flacco were better picks.

We just need to draft the best QB available to us to make our team more competitive and then build around him and hope some things fall our way to win it all. Obviously we need to hire the right coach first. 
Watson (before legal issues), Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, Allen, and Tua all look like great picks but several of these guys aren’t going to win one because only one team can win every year. 

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On 10/14/2022 at 10:37 AM, NJPanthers12 said:

Disagree with this fully.

real fans will never leave and are smart enough to realize what needs to happen. Fair-weather fans will be the first ones back when this team starts winning again. The only thing that will cause irreparable damages is staying status quo and playing musical chairs with god awful quarterbacks. The true fans will lose their passion and walk away. We were seeing that with Matt Rhule.

believe me. Getting destroyed every game the rest of this season will not kill this franchise. My fellow fans from the beginning have been through a ton with this franchise and are still here.

If we can make it through Rae Carruth, the Fred Lane tragedy, The Kerry Collins drama, the Sean Gilbert trade, George Seifert, losing 15 games in a row, Marty Hurney 1.0, Steve Smith punching Ken Lucas, the John Fox lame duck year, Jerry Richardson punting a season for the good of the shield, Andrew Luck spurning the Panthers and going back to college, Gettleman cutting Steve Smith, Getttleman rescinding the franchise tag from Josh Norman, Jerry Richardson bringing back the idiot Marty Hurney, Greg Hardy, Jerry Richardson being a creep trying to shave employees legs, the absurd treatment of Cam Newton and cutting him, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfiled, and the entire Matt Rhule era then we will al survive tanking the rest of this season.

Based on what you wrote I wouldn’t say you disagree completely. You mentioned several things that have  currently hurt our franchise under Tepper and have caused our organizational demise. During the Chris Weinke year or Jimmy Clausen year I still don’t remember things being this low. Jerry was a creep in many ways, but even without talking to the media we could see his vision. Tough nose  defensive minded football team that wouldn’t quit. He knew when we stunk and made changes the following season to correct the mistakes that were made. No one knows if Tepper has a vision for our franchise. The things that he says does not match the people he employs or his actions. It’s been 5 losing seasons with this clown and without a clear direction our fan base is arguably at an all time low. 

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