Between 11-22

[Squirrel]

That is where our 1st round pick we gave to the 49's is going to land. Looking back what do you think of what the Panthers did?

[Squirrel]

Also right now we only have the 2nd,3rd,4th 6th and 7th round picks. The 5th went to KC for Tank Tyler.

[Baschski]

Probably won't be able to make a good assessment of EB til the end of next season, but so far it looks like he can develop into a damn good pass-rusher. I don't think it's going to matter much; the team doesn't have any glaring weaknesses that can't be addressed in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. All the big name QB's will most likely be gone before that pick, anyway, so we still wouldn't have been able to snag Clausen or Bradford. Either way, I like Moore going into next season.

[Mesmer]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

[Baschski]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

Peppers didn't go anywhere, so Brown didn't need to become a force immediately, nor was he given the PT to have a huge impact.

[Jrock3016]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

From what I seen out of Everette Brown...he did REAL good.

FYI...watch the games

[megadeth078]

We sure f**ked up, but not having a first rounder isn't going to kill our franchise.

[Achilles]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

The way the Panthers played him, it didn't seem like they expected him to be an immediate replacement for the talents of Peppers. It seems more like they thought of him as a complimentary player to what we already have.

I agree with the above post to a degree, because of what we gave up to get him. To have him not put up "instant star" numbers, it doesn't seem like good value. At least not at this point in the season. The other thing is that, although Brown showed some skill, it is going to take a tremendous amount of hard work for him to gain the strength and technique to take on linemen that outweight him by 50+ pounds. He is clearly undersized and his talent is still more or less raw.

I disagree, however, that his performance this year is the only measuring stick. He is only going to get better and he still has some upside. More consistency on the Dline and more reps will only help at this point.

Will he ever live up to the expectations of a 1st round pick? Maybe not. Can we afford to jettison Peppers and have Brown fill that empty space? Not at this point if we want equal production.

In hindsight it still feels like a bit of a reach. Unless he is in double digit sacks next year (which I seriously doubt) it will seem like a minor bust to have given up so much (the no 1st round pick this draft could be crippling) for him.

I know there are those who would say that we don't have that many glaring needs and we can fill out our roster with the picks we have, and I am inclined to agree...

but when evaluating the move for Brown I must admit, I'm not sold on the idea that he is even close to an elite pass rusher.

[Zod]

If we do manage to trade Pepp, I think the duo of Charles Johnson and Everette Brown will be a formidable one. For that I think it was worth it.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

I agree with every word.

[Sam Mills Fan]

The trade was stupid for another reason. If we had just held onto the pick, we could have drafted Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin, a defensive end with more tackles and sacks than Brown has this season.

So we gave up a first-round pick to go get a guy that's played worse than the guy we could have just picked for nothing.

Great job FO.

[Gman was right]

Terrible trade! Not Sean Gilbert terrible, but terrible nevertheless! Brown may turn out to be decent but not worth what we gave up for him. the panthers better win tommorrow so that pick will be as low as possible. If it turns out to be a top 15 pick the the FO should all be fired! Well actually they should be fired anyway...

[panthers55]

For those football experts who think they can evaluate a draft after one season, how many tackles, sacks and plays did you expect him to make. He is 4th among DEs with 2.5 sacks and has 21 tackles. He was a second rounder who was admittedly somewhat of a project because he was undersized. He is right on target to do fine.

People who expect a rookie to come in particularly on the line and tear it up haven't been paying attention. There have been something like 2 DEs who have had more than 10 sacks their rookie year in the last decade.

Peppers, Anderson, and Williams in 2003. The next closest was Dumervil in 2006 with 8.5 and Jared Allen with 9 in 2003. There are other rookies with 10+ sacks but they play OLB not DE. Guys like Chris Long last year played every game and got 4 sacks. The year before Gaines Adams got 6 sacks. Given that Everette was only a rotational player, he is right on target.

Mathis who Brown is often compared to had 3.5 sacks his rookie year in 2002. The next year he had 10.5.

[Woodie]

Because Everette Brown was not a force this season, the trade was stupid. It's irrelevant if he becomes great down the line. The decision was to get someone for "now" aka 2009-2010 season push, so that's how it should be evaluated.

It didn't work out, much like many of the other Panther decisions over the offseason, and that's why we're at where we're at.

How so? Brown didn't cost us anything this year. This upcoming draft is when the bill comes due, so even if we had kept the pick, we wouldn't see ANY results until next season anyway...so basically, this was a free year for Brown. And from what EB has shown this year, all he needs is an off-season strength program to become a dominant pass rusher, and I think he is better against the run than many give him credit for.

As it was, many pundits thought Brown was a top 20 pick last year, so if he had stayed in college another year would almost certainly be one this year. So, value-wise, we look to come out ahead since we also got an extra fourth in the deal.

The only way the deal might have been bad is if we needed a QB of the future and one was available at the spot we traded (which doesn't look to happen). And if, as many expect, Peppers does leave (tag and trade, let him walk, however), then DE probably would have jumped to our #1 priority anyway, so we would basically have been using the pick on a player just like Brown, but without a years experience under his belt. Also, with the way Moore has played, I don't think we would use the first on a QB anyway, and there are quality guys in the second for whatever else we need.