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Doc Holiday

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But how do you respond to those who say there WILL be a reason behind him starting in 2010?

Jake was our starter (while playing horribly) until he "injured" himself. So technically, he's still our starter. Moore did what he's paid to do...be a back up. Do we ALL know Moore is better and should start in 2010? Of course. But as they said on the show, it's all politics. The NFL is not cut and dry like we fans want it to be. You don't start the best player in every single situation. Hell, just look at Fox and his love for vets! Jake is still our starter. I can easily see Fox and JR with the mindset that Jake simply "had a bad year". But hey, if he screws up the first game of the year...and definitely again in game two...he's out, and Moore takes the team until the end of 2010. Again I'll point out that guys like Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, and even Kyle Orton sat longer than they could have. Lovie Smith played Grossman way too long. Moore will simply have to wait out the politics of the QB position, which in our case has a lot to do with money. Until Jake screws up while "healthy" next season, he is our starter because he hasn't yet lost the job. We all know it's bogus...but I honestly feel that's the way it is.

Now, instead of calling me stupid and saying I've lost my mind, respond to that with some intelligence. Thanks.

I can sum up your whole post with one thing plain and simple, "it's politics" really is that the best you can come up with, your stretching it to support your point of view.

Matt Moore has outplayed Jake plain and simple and everyone knows it And no one is arguing that and because of that there is no logical reason for Matt not to start at this point.

You should never have to stretch yourself out to make a point if you do you go from being reasonable to being absured.

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I can sum up your whole post with one thing plain and simple, "it's politics" really is that the best you can come up with, your stretching it to support your point of view.

Matt Moore has outplayed Jake plain and simple and everyone knows it And no one is arguing that and because of that there is no logical reason for Matt not to start at this point.

You should never have to stretch yourself out to make a point if you do you go from being reasonable to being absured.

If you don't understand "it's politics", and how much they effect sports and the business world, I feel sorry for you. I'd LOVE to be wrong about Jake, but I honestly don't think I am wrong. I hope like hell I am.

I'm more than aware Moore has outplayed Jake, and I agree he should start. But as we've seen in the past with Fox, he has played vets over people who should be starting. You can't deny it. It's the truth and has happened many times. That's the politics I refer to. It's a combination of loyalty, the fact that younger QBs sometime sit on the bench even though they're better, Jake's contract, and a now incorrect belief that the fans want to see Jake. Jake has meant a lot to this organization and is getting payed in reward. He never lost his starting job this season. We'd like to think his finger wasn't ever hurt, but we don't know for sure.

The best we can hope for is competition in camp, like Leinart and Warner did for the Cards last year. If that's the case, Moore will rightfully take the role away from Jake.

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If you don't understand "it's politics", and how much they effect sports and the business world, I feel sorry for you. I'd LOVE to be wrong about Jake, but I honestly don't think I am wrong. I hope like hell I am.

I'm more than aware Moore has outplayed Jake, and I agree he should start. But as we've seen in the past with Fox, he has played vets over people who should be starting. You can't deny it. It's the truth and has happened many times. That's the politics I refer to. It's a combination of loyalty, the fact that younger QBs sometime sit on the bench even though they're better, Jake's contract, and a now incorrect belief that the fans want to see Jake. Jake has meant a lot to this organization and is getting payed in reward. He never lost his starting job this season. We'd like to think his finger wasn't ever hurt, but we don't know for sure.

The best we can hope for is competition in camp, like Leinart and Warner did for the Cards last year. If that's the case, Moore will rightfully take the role away from Jake.

You could actually compare this to Godfrey and Martin's situation. Godfrey stinks it up, gets injured, Martin comes in and plays great, Fox sticks with his guy and plugs Godfrey back in. Luckily, Godfrey stepped up his play.

I think it is imperative we cut either Fox or Delhomme. Bringing those two back together will be like Armaggedon for Charlotte.

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If you don't understand "it's politics", and how much they effect sports and the business world, I feel sorry for you. I'd LOVE to be wrong about Jake, but I honestly don't think I am wrong. I hope like hell I am.

I'm more than aware Moore has outplayed Jake, and I agree he should start. But as we've seen in the past with Fox, he has played vets over people who should be starting. You can't deny it. It's the truth and has happened many times. That's the politics I refer to. It's a combination of loyalty, the fact that younger QBs sometime sit on the bench even though they're better, Jake's contract, and a now incorrect belief that the fans want to see Jake. Jake has meant a lot to this organization and is getting payed in reward. He never lost his starting job this season. We'd like to think his finger wasn't ever hurt, but we don't know for sure.

The best we can hope for is competition in camp, like Leinart and Warner did for the Cards last year. If that's the case, Moore will rightfully take the role away from Jake.

what times are you specifically referring to?

foster over deangelo?

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You could actually compare this to Godfrey and Martin's situation. Godfrey stinks it up, gets injured, Martin comes in and plays great, Fox sticks with his guy and plugs Godfrey back in. Luckily, Godfrey stepped up his play.

I think it is imperative we cut either Fox or Delhomme. Bringing those two back together will be like Armaggedon for Charlotte.

but was godfrey really as bad as Jake

and was Martin really that much better? OR at least as much better as moore is than jake?

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If you don't understand "it's politics", and how much they effect sports and the business world, I feel sorry for you. I'd LOVE to be wrong about Jake, but I honestly don't think I am wrong. I hope like hell I am.

I'm more than aware Moore has outplayed Jake, and I agree he should start. But as we've seen in the past with Fox, he has played vets over people who should be starting. You can't deny it. It's the truth and has happened many times. That's the politics I refer to. It's a combination of loyalty, the fact that younger QBs sometime sit on the bench even though they're better, Jake's contract, and a now incorrect belief that the fans want to see Jake. Jake has meant a lot to this organization and is getting payed in reward. He never lost his starting job this season. We'd like to think his finger wasn't ever hurt, but we don't know for sure.

The best we can hope for is competition in camp, like Leinart and Warner did for the Cards last year. If that's the case, Moore will rightfully take the role away from Jake.

How is this post any different then your first one, and I'll say it again the "because of politics" argument is ice cold at best, and you're as I've said before stretching it to the point of absurdedy.

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but was godfrey really as bad as Jake

and was Martin really that much better? OR at least as much better as moore is than jake?

Well, you're right about that :D I pray that Delhomme is gone. The fact that people have accepted Jake might start shows how low our franchise has fallen. Like I said before, we gotta get rid of either Fox or Delhomme or preferably both.

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