i really fucking wish this would be the way the Panthers organization was run

[frash.exe]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/01/ny_giants_team_president_and_c.html

On how disappointing this season was

“Probably as disappointed as I’ve ever been in my life at this team, given the expectations we had this year, given the roster I thought we had, given the way we started out and given the embarrassment of the last two weeks.”

On what he’s disappointed about

“Everything. I’m disappointed in everything. I’m unhappy at everybody. It’s just not acceptable to perform like that. There are 8-8 seasons and there are 8-8 seasons, but this one felt a lot more like 2-14 to me.”

On if he’ll be influenced more by what he saw late in the season than in the 5-0 start

“Well, I’m less than 24 hours after the end of the season, so I’m sure I’ll cool down at some point and we’ll try to make intelligent decisions going forward. And I’ll sit down with the coaches and general manager. We’ll do what we need to do to improve the team, but obviously I’m not very happy right now and they know that.”

On whether it was a lack of fight or pride

"A lack of mental and physical toughness and, quite frankly, a lack of effort over the last two weeks. That's just something I never expected to see from this group of players."

On what he'd tell the fans

"We're going to do what we need to do to improve the team. We're not going to leave any stone unturned."

On the coaching staff

"The status quo is not acceptable on any level. I'm not going to get into specific positions or anything like that, but we need to do something and I will be expecting (Coughlin and Reese) to give me their recommendations on what we're going to do and ultimately we'll approve it or not approve it."

On his theories why that was

"I don't know why. I know we had some injuries, but I don't think we had catastrophic injuries. There's no excuse for performing the way we performed over basically the last 11 weeks."

On what he'd do if Coughlin wanted to keep his coaching staff intact

"You'd like to let the head coach make the final decision on those things, but that would be a tough one to swallow. The status quo after what we just went through is just not acceptable."

Oh gee, doesn't this sound like the kind of poo I'm always saying on here? By one of the most esteemed front offices in the league?

now obviously the panthers look far from as bad a team as the the Giants looked going by the last 3 weeks of the season, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Panthers looked piss poor for 2/3 of the regular season. And it does hold true that despite the poor finish, the statement is true in the NFL that you get what you desire, and if you shoot for mediocrity and you don't spread accountability out where it is needed, guess what, over the long run, you will get mediocrity, and that is what defines the Panthers as long as they've been players in the game. You all think that "glass half full" is the path to success in the NFL. Guess what, it isn't. And regardless of the past 3 weeks, the Panthers 2009 season has been a failure. Plain and simple.

[AceMan]

:iagree:

The Giants look at 8-8 as a failure

We look at 8-8 as "it is what it is"

[HPPantherzfan]

:iagree:

The Giants look at 8-8 as a failure

We look at 8-8 as "it is what it is"

LOL so true;)

[frash.exe]

:iagree:

The Giants look at 8-8 as a failure

We look at 8-8 as "it is what it is"

not to mention this is one 8-8 season off 4 straight playoff berths, 4 playoff victories, and one superbowl championship win.

If the Panthers could ever accomplish something like that and then go .500 afterwards, i don't even think our more passive fans would even give a poo about what happened.

[frash.exe]

I also read something off the star ledger this morning about what the players were saying and Shaun O' Hara I think it was commented that the way they played was a disgrace to the logo and to the owners and the fans.

when the f**k do we ever hear a panthers player saying something along those lines. I can think of one player that i could hear the words come out of his mouth

everything is "ho hum we just didn't execute and there were some good things we did and poor me blah blah blah"

[King Taharqa]

Raging Bull, the Panthers and the front office have worked hard for 15 years to lower expectations and erase accountability. Getting people to accept losing and to value likeability over winning isnt easy. It'll take awhile before we can fully change the culture here.

[E CaT PanTHer]

but you have to remember that's how John Fox and this organization likes it. In front of the media, they don't expose too much of their emotions. Fox would never throw a coach or player under the bus. But behind closed doors and when the paparazzi lights aren't flashing, I bet there is anger, disappointment, and some heated discussion that we just aren't aware of.

[AceMan]

not to mention this is one 8-8 season off 4 straight playoff berths, 4 playoff victories, and one superbowl championship win.

If the Panthers could ever accomplish something like that and then go .500 afterwards, i don't even think our more passive fans would even give a poo about what happened.

I agree. I wish somebody in our organization would stand up and say they won't stand for this crap. I wanna hear from somebody so we, as the fanbase, can get some type of idea of what the hell the Carolina Panthers Org. is thinking.

[frash.exe]

but you have to remember that's how John Fox and this organization likes it. In front of the media, they don't expose too much of their emotions. Fox would never throw a coach or player under the bus. But behind closed doors and when the paparazzi lights aren't flashing, I bet there is anger, disappointment, and some heated discussion that we just aren't aware of.

or maybe they really just don't give a poo as much as they should

[pantherpain]

Raging Bull I see you have broken out of the matrix, an agent will be visiting you shortly to stop the spread of your Propaganda.

[panthers55]

First of all, all 8-8 seasons are not the same. If we went 5-0 to start the season and finished 3-8 over the last 11 games it would be a disaster.

We did the opposite which was to start 4-7 and finish 4-1. And I am not hearing anyone happy with the season. I do hear folks optimistic with our last 5 game finish, but certainly no one is happy missing the playoffs.

Secondly lets see what they actually do to get better. Words and rhetoric about making changes when they lost their last 5 games are appropriate but only words.

[Gman was right]

People keep saying fox has never loss more than 9 games in a season as if that's some sort of accomplishment. The panthers have done a nice job brainwashing the fans and the media into accepting mediocrity

[frash.exe]

First of all, all 8-8 seasons are not the same. If we went 5-0 to start the season and finished 3-8 over the last 11 games it would be a disaster.

Okay maybe not this year but twice before the panthers have done something like that, and two years in a row. In 2006 they started 4-2 and finished 4-6 and in 2007 they started 4-2 and finished 3-7. And i don't care to hear about the injuries.

[RedMage138]

but you have to remember that's how John Fox and this organization likes it. In front of the media, they don't expose too much of their emotions. Fox would never throw a coach or player under the bus. But behind closed doors and when the paparazzi lights aren't flashing, I bet there is anger, disappointment, and some heated discussion that we just aren't aware of.

Gotta agree with this.

I'm really glad we don't have coaches and players throwing each other under the bus.

I just don't understand what exactly it is you people want from this organization. Finishing 8-8 when we had the hardest schedule in the NFL and the injuries we had was nothing short of miraculous.