Joat's 8/2 TC updates- Live

[SorthNarolina]

We don't have Julius Peppers around to generate pressure, and the secondary is playing against very modest competition. Clausen is the checkdown king so I don't really consider it a major accomplishment to force him to do that.

Last years rankings don't really mean a whole lot. It's a loose guide but we lost one of the best DE's in the leauge. The loss of Peppers could really create a nasty avalanche.

I think pre-season will show a lot this year. I can't wait to see how they do for those 15 snaps or so week 1.

[CRA]

We don't have Julius Peppers around to generate pressure, and the secondary is playing against very modest competition. Clausen is the checkdown king so I don't really consider it a major accomplishment to force him to do that.

Last years rankings don't really mean a whole lot. It's a loose guide but we lost one of the best DE's in the leauge. The loss of Peppers could really create a nasty avalanche.

I think pre-season will show a lot this year. I can't wait to see how they do for those 15 snaps or so week 1.

i agree.

also, Pep was up and down last year...but when the D overall turned it on late those also were some games where Peppers reallly came strong and lived up to the hype.

[monstercat]

Maybe the WR's are young, but it sure sounds like Kenny Moore and Brandon LaFell are looking pretty darn good, and this is the best QB group that Fox has ever had, regardless of experience level.

[scpanther22]

So Beason was at MLB today?

[Snake]

and all I said is the starting back 7 SHOULD look good b/c of the WR talent they are facing. I have a problem with people boasting about what they will do simply based on 6 days of TC. I simply say it is too early.....and give some possible reasons why people might want to hold off.

I understand what your saying. The Defense is most of the time ahead of the offense early in camp. If thats what your saying then your right and really is a good sign that our D will be alright this year. I remember last year the Offense was ahead of them all TC. It was indeed a bad omen.

[carolinarolls]

Stats and rankings only mean a lot if they coincide with your argument on this site. It is easy to cast doubt on any stat or ranking if you want to. The numbers do/don't lie depending on what side you are arguing.

That is not the issue here. The issue is that without Thomas Davis, some shuffling has happened and looks like it is gelling so far. Also some young DB's are showing promise in coverage less than a year removed from being scalded daily on this site.

What has been reported is positive. Its good news. Can any idiot cast doubt by saying that our WR's and QB's are young? Sure. Any moron can do that. That is why an opinion similar to that is not profound (a.k.a. unnecessary).

There is no kool aid. There is no optimism. There are merely reports that the db's are blanketing the receivers fairly consistently and some random sourpuss's "opinion" that this would not be the case had we better receivers on the field.

You see, according to one Panther fan using the handle CRA its not so much that our top rated pass defense is looking good, its more that our young passing offense can't properly test the passing defense. Therefore, there is no reason to look favorably on the reports from camp. Conversely however there is now reason to not only be bummed about the young, inept offense but now the top rated pass defense as well. This in spite of the facts that the high ranking from last season was judged against other teams, not our "weak and young" team and there is no sane reason to believe the pass defense would not look every bit as good out there if CRA had a higher opinion of our passing attack.

In essence, one poster's opinion of passing offense directly effects the execution of our passing defense. If he thought the offense was better, the defense would automatically play better and vice versa.

Yes, it is quite ridiculous.

[beastson]

You know a couple years ago, Packers O was in the same position. Hella young with a lot of receivers and look how their passing game turned out to be

[marcopolo]

The thing that is bothering me about camp, is that everyone is getting hurt and we have all of these scrubs and camp fodders out there who are a long shot to make the roster in the first place.

[beastson]

You know a couple years ago, Packers O was in the same position. Hella young with a lot of receivers and look how their passing game turned out to be

And their D turned out to be great as well

[CRA]

I understand what your saying. The Defense is most of the time ahead of the offense early in camp. If thats what your saying then your right and really is a good sign that our D will be alright this year. I remember last year the Offense was ahead of them all TC. It was indeed a bad omen.

yes, that is another point that has been brought up as well. Defenses always look sharper the first week on average than the offenses. We just need to let things play out to see what is what. Just way too early to act like the bits and pieces coming in from practice right now really mean that much.

I mean if these tweets were accurate Jason Carter would have been our stud #2 WR for the past few years.

[carolinarolls]

The thing that is bothering me about camp, is that everyone is getting hurt and we have all of these scrubs and camp fodders out there who are a long shot to make the roster in the first place.

don't believe everything you hear about injuries. yes there will be some but I think the work needs to be put on the young guys to decide which ones to keep instead of working our starters into the dirt for no reason. Especially if there is no major offense or defensive changes.

[marcopolo]

don't believe everything you hear about injuries. yes there will be some but I think the work needs to be put on the young guys to decide which ones to keep instead of working our starters into the dirt for no reason. Especially if there is no major offense or defensive changes.

my point being its making these practices worthless, all the people that should be practicing cant, the people practicing are the ones that are going to be cut and/or reshuffled to the practice squad. Go check out some of gantt's tweets from today.

[CRA]

You see, according to one Panther fan using the handle CRA its not so much that our top rated pass defense is looking good, its more that our young passing offense can't properly test the passing defense. Therefore, there is no reason to look favorably on the reports from camp. Conversely however there is now reason to not only be bummed about the young, inept offense but now the top rated pass defense as well. This in spite of the facts that the high ranking from last season was judged against other teams, not our "weak and young" team and there is no sane reason to believe the pass defense would not look every bit as good out there if CRA had a higher opinion of our passing attack.

In essence, one poster's opinion of passing offense directly effects the execution of our passing defense. If he thought the offense was better, the defense would automatically play better and vice versa.

Yes, it is quite ridiculous.

Dude, it is day 6 of training camp. Defenses are usually ahead at a noticeable pace.....and Carolina's offense doesn't even have there only proven WR in Steve Smith. That is all. Too early for all hype going on about this secondary based on a couple days of TC. Jon Beason has commented before about practicing with Smith on the field vs. without him on the field.

I am not bashing the offense. I assume the offense will resemble what we saw in 2008 which was one of the better offenses in the NFC.

The D played well and were highly ranked last year.....they had weaknesses last year that I would imagine could be exposed more if the pass rush is weaker (Marhsall and Godfrey still have a good amount to prove in terms of improvement in coverage). I don't put that much into a 2009 pass rank. Didn't put too much into it last season.

[marcopolo]

our first game is almost a week away... that is the reality

its not going to be 2008 good, you cant have that with all the rookies we got on the team