Double Standards

[Dpantherman]

didn't Jake have Steve Smith and Moose to throw to during the season?

[Brooklyn Bully]

It's a common theme on this board. Person A rags on Person B because Person B talks poorly about a player or the team. Person A then gives reasons why it is not the case, which right now revolves around that it is only the vanilla Pre-Season and that things will be just fine. Then Person A marks out and goes bananas when the team does something awesome...in the same vanilla Pre-Season.

We all should just avoid this board until the Giants game.

[OneBadassCat]

Moore is doing fine. There were a few miscues last night but he's still the best QB on the roster. The play calling was terrible last night, we basically wasted every 2nd down with a lame ass run play and put Moore in a repeated position to fail with 3 & 10's, and 3 &12's. Clausen played against the Titans weaker talent in the 4th. I thought he did fine but he wasn't exactly lighting it up either.

[Mr. Scot]

Two rules to follow in the preseason:

- Don't get too depressed about the bad stuff.

- Don't get too excited about the good stuff.

In all but the third game, teams aren't looking at it like a game. it's mainly for evaluation. they'll try out things just to see what happens and they'll concentrate on areas (and players) that need work rather than emphasizing what they do best.

The team as a whole isn't going to run things as it would in the regular season. Players on the fringes of health would play if the games counted, but they don't, so they won't. Because of that, you shouldn't read too much into team struggles.

What you also have to remember though is that all those conditions that mitigate our negatives also apply to the other team. We just don't know as much about them. That' why you also can't get too hyped up when the team looks dominant.

Can you look at individual performances? Yes, but even there you have to understand the circumstances.

[Jpjr]

If Clausen isn't looking great against 2nd and 3rd team DB's(which is to be expected from a rookie) what makes people think he will destroy first team DB's? Its not like our 1st team WR's are any better than our 2nd team WR's.

Why is everyone afraid to give him a few series' with the 1s?

If he really isn't any better then no one should have a problem doing this.

If anything it would light a fire under Moore which is exactly what Arizona was trying to do this week with their QB situation.

Guys, there have been no offensive touchdowns. Making excuses for any offensive player at this point is silly. I would be rotating everyone in to try and get something going before the season starts.

[natty]

Why is everyone afraid to give him a few series' with the 1s?

If he really isn't any better then no one should have a problem doing this.

If anything it would light a fire under Moore which is exactly what Arizona was trying to do this week with their QB situation.

Guys, there have been no offensive touchdowns. Making excuses for any offensive player at this point is silly. I would be rotating everyone in to try and get something going before the season starts.

Because there's absolutely NO reason to. Moore is the starter and he has earned it. Everyone that has been to camp has said Moore is far beyond every other QB on the roster. Who cares that we haven't had a TD in the preseason?

[BBQ&Beer]

Why is everyone afraid to give him a few series' with the 1s?

If he really isn't any better then no one should have a problem doing this.

If anything it would light a fire under Moore which is exactly what Arizona was trying to do this week with their QB situation.

Guys, there have been no offensive touchdowns. Making excuses for any offensive player at this point is silly. I would be rotating everyone in to try and get something going before the season starts.

Why do you think anyone is afraid?

[Jpjr]

Why do you think anyone is afraid?

What do you call it when people on this board make every excuse in the book why Matt Moore is better than Jimmy Clausen but balk at the idea of a completely apples to apples comparison of each with the 1s. Rather than actually seeing them play with the same lineup, we just hear excuses. I'm sure there will be many more today.

[Dpantherman]

Why is everyone afraid to give him a few series' with the 1s?

If he really isn't any better then no one should have a problem doing this.

If anything it would light a fire under Moore which is exactly what Arizona was trying to do this week with their QB situation.

Guys, there have been no offensive touchdowns. Making excuses for any offensive player at this point is silly. I would be rotating everyone in to try and get something going before the season starts.

the same reason why every other team lets their starting QB work with the starters. There is no competition, therefore putting Clausen with the ones is pointless

[mav1234]

I don't think Moore needs a "fire lit under him." In Arizona, while Leinart is going to start, there is a bit of a QB "controversy." There is not one here.

Moore also needs work with the ones. I would love to see Clausen with the ones to gauge how he does against first defenses, but frankly, Moore needs all the practice he can get with the team.

EDIT: btw, I am certain Clausen will be a far superior quarterback to Moore in time. However, his development will not be hurt if he sits this preseason/season, and the team will be better for it in the long run I believe. For now, Moore has a better grasp of our offense and our team, and he is the team's emotional leader. Clausen may have more raw talent, but a QB is about more than ability. Give Clausen time to develop into that role, and let's see how Moore does in the regular season.

[panther4life]

the same reason why every other team lets their starting QB work with the starters. There is no competition, therefore putting Clausen with the ones is pointless

your right its quite evident that there is no competetion at the position.

There should be an open competition. Matt Moore does not have enough of a body of work to make him the unquestioned starter. This does not mean that he wouldn't win the competetion between him and Clausen, he actually has the experience advantage on him. The real question is does he have the natural talent and skillset to win an open competetion between the 2?

[mav1234]

The risk of an open competition is that it could diminish the authority Moore has with the players. That is why they cut Jake actually...

EDIT: That is, they have complete faith in Moore because of how he played in the regular season. With the coaching staff feeling that way, the players have propped him up and rallied behind him. You may recall last season with player's reactions... so they wanted to shore up confidence in Moore I think.

[panther4life]

I mean I'm not sold on Matt, and its quite possible he's already hit his ceiling.Jimmy on the other hand could potentially be a bust but adversely the sky his the limit with him as well.

To clarify

Matt has the potential to be a good qb, Clausen has the potential to be a great qb. I just want to see if Clausen can reach his potential, but the reality of the situation is i'll probably have to wait a year on that.

My worst fear is that matt will be a good game manager and wont lose us games but i'm not very confident about his ability to rally us late in games when facing a big deficit.

I think at the very least Jimmy could be a good game manager as well but because of the loyalty to Moore we won't be able to find out what Jimmy's made of.

[mav1234]

We won't have any idea what Clausen's potential is in a few series' with the first team offense. If he does great, then we've just created a quarterback controversy that could hurt the team as we enter the season and we really don't know if it will tell us anything considering it's the last preseason game of the year and a lot of starters will be sitting. If he does terribly, it won't do much, but it will also have been time Moore lost.

We haven't seen a lot of Moore... He's played half a season's worth of games over two years. Let's see him at regular season speed before we decide what his ceiling is.

I think it's pretty clear by the amount of time Clausen is getting in the preseason that he IS the future of this franchise, and that the reason Moore is starting isn't because of loyalty.

EDIT: I would have liked to have seen Clausen in with the first team, but I think it's clear that Moore needs the work. If Moore was sharp and accurate, I'd actually have thought Clausen would have gotten to come in earlier in fact... but Moore, and the receivers, need a lot of work.