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So...If Jimmy sucks....then what?

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mj4life Newbie

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See where I'm going? If Matt Moore and Moore alone is the reason Carolina is 0-2, cut the guy now and go sign Jeff Garcia or someone. I'm simply not ready to assume anything with respect to whomever the starting QB may be, nor am I willing to assume anything or expect anything from the other 52 people on the roster.

he's not the only reason but he does have 6 turnovers is connecting on less than 45% of his passes, holds onto the ball to long & the offense is stagnant, so the coaches see a need to change

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I really don't think Jimmy is the long term answer. He can manage us to some Ws...but Charlie Batch can do that poo. He doesn't seem to be a guy that can take over, and win on command. Neither was Moore...and thats why we're 0-2. So I think he will be alright, for now, but to play devils advocate, lets say he sucks balls. Not just regular ol balls like Moore, but big, smelly, dangling balls. What does Fox do? Go back to Moore? Pike? ARMANTI? Stick with Clausen? What do you think?

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Substitute "Panthers" for "ND" and "Matt Moore" for "Clausen" and you have the same results...

Here's the rub of the fans and their emotional connection to the argument:

A ND/Clausen fan will say it wasn't Clausen alone that lost games.

ESPN asks how Dallas could possibly lose to Chicago, not how Chicago won.

Everyone is looking to Brett Favre and all of his missing weapons were the reason Minnesota lost to Miami, not the rest of the team.

See where I'm going? If Matt Moore and Moore alone is the reason Carolina is 0-2, cut the guy now and go sign Jeff Garcia or someone. I'm simply not ready to assume anything with respect to whomever the starting QB may be, nor am I willing to assume anything or expect anything from the other 52 people on the roster.

Dude you've been pretty biased in your statements. The truth is nobody knows how good Jimmy might become and as a PANTHER fan I hope he turns out to be great. It's obvious you have a hard on for him to fail and you'll be the first screaming "i told you so" after he has a bad game. Enjoy it.

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Well, for anybody to expect a rookie QB to be a savior, is beyond stupid.

The team has to improve as a whole. The d-line has to get back to making plays on the other side of the scrimmage line, the secondary has to get back to playing defense. The o-line has to get back to blocking, our OC..nevermind, he's a lost cause.

Our special teams has to continue to improve.

Nothing Clausen does is going to save us. If the defense and running game can return to decency, then Clausen has a chance of having an impact, and even then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

At least it will be an entertaining year.

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He might very well suck, but let's look at a scenario with the Bucs.

Last year they thought Luke McCown would be their starter. He wasn't cuttin it, so they turned to Byron Leftwitch. He wasn't cuttin it, so then they turned to Freeman. Freeman's performance was below average for most of the season, and of course the Bucs finished with a losing record. But look at Freeman now. He has confidence, he has swagger, he's not turning the ball over, and he's getting the job done. Seems like the best way for a QB to learn, is to throw him to the wolves.

I think the same thing can happen to Clausen. And unlike Freeman, Clausen is already ahead of the game by being familiar with a pro-style offensive scheme. So he may just light it up towards the end of the season. We might even do better than expected, because unlike the Bucs, the core of our offense is still intact. And with Otah getting healthy soon, we may just surprise some people.

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I really don't think Jimmy is the long term answer. He can manage us to some Ws...but Charlie Batch can do that poo. He doesn't seem to be a guy that can take over, and win on command. Neither was Moore...and thats why we're 0-2. So I think he will be alright, for now, but to play devils advocate, lets say he sucks balls. Not just regular ol balls like Moore, but big, smelly, dangling balls. What does Fox do? Go back to Moore? Pike? ARMANTI? Stick with Clausen? What do you think?

That really doesn't tell the whole story though, you can't just blame it all on Moore, he's not the only player at fault. The O-line play has been horrendous, you have to factor that in somewhere.

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He might very well suck, but let's look at a scenario with the Bucs.

Last year they thought Luke McCown would be their starter. He wasn't cuttin it, so they turned to Byron Leftwitch. He wasn't cuttin it, so then they turned to Freeman. Freeman's performance was below average for most of the season, and of course the Bucs finished with a losing record. But look at Freeman now. He has confidence, he has swagger, he's not turning the ball over, and he's getting the job done. Seems like the best way for a QB to learn, is to throw him to the wolves.

I think the same thing can happen to Clausen. And unlike Freeman, Clausen is already ahead of the game by being familiar with a pro-style offensive scheme. So he may just light it up towards the end of the season. We might even do better than expected, because unlike the Bucs, the core of our offense is still intact. And with Otah getting healthy soon, we may just surprise some people.

And, let's not forget the most important part: Freeman showed a whole lot of potential. Everyone could see that the guy had the physical skills, he just needed to learn WTF he was doing. He has bought into what the coaches have been trying to teach him and, thus, he has made great strides. With rookies, you can't judge them solely on their decision making( esp. with QBs), you have to give them time to grow and develop because, IMHO, 75 percent of their game----whether they will be successful---is between their ears. Freeman is making good decisions because he has been willing to learn and apply. There is no reason not to think Clausen won't do the same (and reports of his work ethic bolster this belief).

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I really don't think Jimmy is the long term answer. He can manage us to some Ws...but Charlie Batch can do that poo. He doesn't seem to be a guy that can take over, and win on command. Neither was Moore...and thats why we're 0-2. So I think he will be alright, for now, but to play devils advocate, lets say he sucks balls. Not just regular ol balls like Moore, but big, smelly, dangling balls. What does Fox do? Go back to Moore? Pike? ARMANTI? Stick with Clausen? What do you think?

If that happens, then you are here.

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At this point Clausen is both a potential Hall of Famer and a potential bust.

This. We can end that debate.

To answer the thread:

It depends on the definition of sucks. Sucks as in he completes most of his passes, finds receivers Matt or Jake could not, shows poise, confidence, makes good reads, throws the ball away but also make rookie mistakes like he throws interceptions, trows up on the sideline, and probably costs us a couple of games solely based on his mistakes. Well I expect that. In this case...you keep him in there and go with him. Doesn't necessarily mean he sucks, just means he's a rookie but probably the next dude.

Sucking in terms of....he completes 1 out of 4 passes consistently, throws 5-6 interceptions, throws up during the game on the field, on the sidelines, on his shoes, costs us every game of this season......you yank him out and give Pike the last 4 games before you scramble your scouts to look for another franchise QB.

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