So who will start vs 49ers? Is Jimmy safe?

[Makish]

he should be starting, maybe next year

[TheRealDeal]

he should be starting, maybe next year

I heard that guy is dumber than Jarrett

[Anybodyhome]

"Get your bags packed"

??

"You're still not playing..."

[mav1234]

ely grasped just how bad Jimmy has played and try and make excuses for him. Moore has played bad but really the only thing is the interceptions. The stats show he has six but when coaches look at it they see 4. There is no way a coach holds those last two against him. It's just not realistic. Although the interceptions are bad, Moore has also shown he can lead the offense to some first downs and put some points on the board. While Jimmy has not thrown as many interceptions, he has not shown he can lead the offense and still runs the risk of turning it over as much as Moore with the fumbles. A coach also looks at how well the offense as a whole is doing when one player is in vs another and there is no argument that the offense as a whole looks better when Moore is playing.

The ONLY thing against Moore THIS season is interceptions?? Again, speaking only on this season, he has barely more YPA, he has the same TD to INT ratio as Jimmy (even if Moore only has 4, Jimmy only has 2 ), Moore has fewer 40 yard completions (albeit in much less playtime), and really hasn't lead the team to a ton more points. The offense looked every bit as bad against TB as it has looked against anyone else, frankly... This team has looked terrible on offense pretty much all year, and making the excuse that it's only interceptions for Moore is inaccurate.

If Moore can limit the turnovers he could return to prior form and make this team a winner again.

I'd agree there. I'd also argue if Jimmy could correct some of his rookie issues, get some time and find the open receiver, this team could be a winner again. They're both possibilities. Moore's may be more likely, but that doesn't mean he starts.

[Makish]

I heard that guy is dumber than Jarrett

well didn't this guy get a 10 on the wonderlic

worked out fine for the fins

[Anybodyhome]

I'd rather see Moore start.

Reason 1: Clausen is the QB of the future for the Panthers and should spend this season holding a clipboard regardless how bad the team stinks, prepare for the next season of football whether it's 2011 or 2012, and start learning everything he needs to in order to become not only a decent QB, but a leader on the field.

Reason 2: Moore is history after this season. He has no contract and will not likely get a contract unless he has a decent season and some other team takes notice. It's not in my nature to want someone to fail and I'd rather see him go elsewhere and become a decent QB at some point. So let him audition for the rest of the season.

[TheRealDeal]

The ONLY thing against Moore THIS season is interceptions?? Again, speaking only on this season, he has barely more YPA, he has the same TD to INT ratio as Jimmy (even if Moore only has 4, Jimmy only has 2 ), Moore has fewer 40 yard completions (albeit in much less playtime), and really hasn't lead the team to a ton more points. The offense looked every bit as bad against TB as it has looked against anyone else, frankly... This team has looked terrible on offense pretty much all year, and making the excuse that it's only interceptions for Moore is inaccurate.

I'd agree there. I'd also argue if Jimmy could correct some of his rookie issues, get some time and find the open receiver, this team could be a winner again. They're both possibilities. Moore's may be more likely, but that doesn't mean he starts.

I'm not trying to argue anymore but the question was posed to me to try and help him understand any way Moore could start. I'm not saying all of these reasons are valid or are the defining reason, just that they are some reasons. Moore is averaging almost a TD more per game and is almost twice as good on third downs. We saw Moore at his absolute worst for 7 quarters and we were in both games.

My point was that Moore just needs to protect the ball more and most of his issues were gone. Jimmy, right now, seems to have more issues even though they might all be small there are a number of them. Taking snaps from center, getting the ball to the RB, time management (not in the beginning of the game with the radio but on the last drive against NO, there was no sense or urgency, I think around 20-25 seconds ticked off between when he got to the line and when the ball snapped), staying in the pocket, release point, getting the ball down field to name a few.

Again these are just some things I think coaches look for when watching tape and they don't have knee jerk reactions like us fans.

Also, while I agree Jimmy's pick this past week was considered somewhat of a fluke it is due to his low release, as evidenced by multiple batted down balls.

[TheRealDeal]

I'd rather see Moore start.

Reason 1: Clausen is the QB of the future for the Panthers and should spend this season holding a clipboard regardless how bad the team stinks, prepare for the next season of football whether it's 2011 or 2012, and start learning everything he needs to in order to become not only a decent QB, but a leader on the field.

Reason 2: Moore is history after this season. He has no contract and will not likely get a contract unless he has a decent season and some other team takes notice. It's not in my nature to want someone to fail and I'd rather see him g elsewhere and become a decent QB at some point. So let him audition for the rest of the season.

Both are assumptions and as you are entitled to your opinion I have to disagree just because I don't think there is that much substance behind either one.

[Davidson Deac II]

Here's another wild guess...give that non-Matt Moore QB we've started this year, you know, that rookie, 150 yards rushing and a stout defense for 60 minutes and not 50...he'd have a win or two.

Fwiw, I think that it doesn't matter who starts, because the offense is equally bad with either one. But that is hogwash. The defense has been very good in all three Clausen starts. They have forced turnovers, given us the ball in great field position, and yet Clausen and company was barely able to get a first down. We can't expect a shutout, and yet it appears that is the only way we have a shot at winning.

The only reason we moved the ball on the first series of downs against the Bears was because we kept it on the ground and didn't let Clausen screw things up. Once Chicago adjusted and shut down the run game, it was pretty much over from an offensive standpoint.

[Spaceballs83]

i hate to say it, but i really just see us lose every game from here on out. We are not going to the playoffs. and even if we did we would get owned in the first game. Lose every game and get the #1 pick in the draft. Start fresh next season

[mav1234]

We saw Moore at his absolute worst for 7 quarters and we were in both games.

What game have we not been in through the fourth quarter, no matter who was QB? We've been in all of 'em, and hell, the closest we can to that first W was with Clausen.

Also, I was referring to Jimmy's int in "garbage time" against TB. If we go with the Peppers one too, then Jimmy is 1-1, which is a better rate I'm pretty sure Peppers bats down any ball thrown at him. The man is a monster.

The offense itself is barely averaging more points between the two starters so I think the more points argument, even if Moore is throwing more TDs, is largely moot. Overall, our offense sucks no matter who is behind center, and if it gets better, it won't be solely due to any QB change.

About starting Moore to give him a chance:

he has a good chance of landing on someone's team next year and having a poo at practicing his way into a backup position elsewhere even if he is cut here - that is assuming he doesn't royally screw up any games he's put in here. He will do more damage to his career by starting and playing poorly more than he would not playing. On the other hand, if he starts and shows something, I agree it'd help him.

In a perfect world, we'd never have had this conversation because Moore would have been at least serviceable through his first two starts. =\

If he does get put back in, I really hope he has a good game. I just don't believe he will start.

[mmmbeans]

well didn't this guy get a 10 on the wonderlic

worked out fine for the fins

how many superbowls?

[mav1234]

The defense has been very good in all three Clausen starts. They have forced turnovers, given us the ball in great field position, and yet Clausen and company was barely able to get a first down. We can't expect a shutout, and yet it appears that is the only way we have a shot at winning.

Why does everyone think the defense sucked against TB?

Statistically it was one of the better outings they've had this year.

[Davidson Deac II]

how many superbowls?

I agree. Mark Rypien is a much better QB than Marino. I mean he did win a Superbowl afterall.