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rub some people the wrong way? Being widely hated by your players is waaaaaaay more than rubbing some people the wrong way. Check out some of the stories on him - this is more than that...

also belichick's origins are on the defensive side of the ball, and NE's defense may suck but they have come up big when they needed to this season. It would be nice to have a high scoring offense, but I bet that will have as much to do with building an offense with a solid, high-level QB as it will with the HC.

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Yeah, he'll draft qbs up the wazoo & make the qb carousel that we have now look like child's play. No thanks.

Well you know if we had those QB's they had at that time, the huddlers would demand an upgrade. You call it a carousel when he does it for the buccs, but demand it from fox and hurney. That is the one thing that got blown out of proportion. He won more NFCS titles than any other coach in that same time frame. We could do a lot worse than Gruden, and probably will.

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rub some people the wrong way? Being widely hated by your players is waaaaaaay more than rubbing some people the wrong way. Check out some of the stories on him - this is more than that...

also belichick's origins are on the defensive side of the ball, and NE's defense may suck but they have come up big when they needed to this season. It would be nice to have a high scoring offense, but I bet that will have as much to do with building an offense with a solid, high-level QB as it will with the HC.

I have read 2 books about him and 1 he wrote. He wasn't widely hated by all the players. Most of the offensive guys liked him with the exception of quarterbacks who he would rotate and generally get upset with too often. Some of the defensive guys hated him, other respected but feared him and the list goes on.

As for belicheck most people erroneously think he is largely a defensive coach and that is selling him way too short. He did have defensive beginnings but he understands new England's offense much better than anyone else. That is why he has had a string of offensive coordinators and they just keep moving on. It is belicheck who is the master of that team not a coordinator. Just like you would make a mistake to assume Gruden doesn't know defenses because in order to gameplan your offense against a defense you have to be able to dissect the defense and know all it's facets. Most people find that even complicated defenses are easier to master than most offenses which have a number of variations on every play.

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So the question may be do we want a guy who is an offensive genius who is fiery and a great motivator who rubs some people the wrong way but generally gets a good result, or a player's coach who everyone likes similar to Fox but doesn't seem to kick butt and isn't fiery enough.

Sure the easy answer is we need to find someone who is a great tactician and a great motivator who is a player's coach, but honestly who is out there who is available who can do that??

I like that we have a defense but honestly it's been over a decade since we had a passing game to speak of and a good offense. And honestly it is hard to find a guy who is an offensive prodigy who isn't already a OC or who wouldn't want to be the HC. If we go defensive head coach, who can we get who can resurrect this offense. I would love to have a team that can score 30 points a game.

Would you rather be us who have a good defense and crappy offense or a team like New England who have the 29th ranked defense but a offense that scores 27 points a game.

People on here dont know what they want. They hate Gruden b/c he was the Buccs coach for the most part. He lead them to an 11-5 record with Chris Simms in 05, another one of his division crowns. We arent sure what imput he had with their defense, they had a system in place and a longtime d coordinator, who is very similar to Meeks. The thing here is, and most people are happy with the defense given their situation, so that could pretty much remain in place. I know for a fact he would get the most out of our QB's and would be valuable in the facet that he could actually develop them.

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People on here dont know what they want. They hate Gruden b/c he was the Buccs coach for the most part. He lead them to an 11-5 record with Chris Simms in 05, another one of his division crowns. We arent sure what imput he had with their defense, they had a system in place and a longtime d coordinator, who is very similar to Meeks. The thing here is, and most people are happy with the defense given their situation, so that could pretty much remain in place. I know for a fact he would get the most out of our QB's and would be valuable in the facet that he could actually develop them.

That is true. I got tired of watching us get outcoached every time Tampa came to town. Seems to me that the downfall of Tampa was the Glaziers wouldn't spend for the talent they needed, I expect if he had our team over the past several years he would have done a better job of using our talent. Yeah he may be an ass at times but really the thing that killed them was losing. Players are fine with a coach who is a butt when they are winning. When they are losing they suddenly grow tired of him and bitch and complain.

Seems to me he is alot like Cowher in temperament. Maybe a little more sarcastic. But still people who don't like Fox's clapping and chewing gum ought to be happy with Chucky's scowls and tirades.

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Seems to me he is alot like Cowher in temperament. Maybe a little more sarcastic. But still people who don't like Fox's clapping and chewing gum ought to be happy with Chucky's scowls and tirades.

This is the reason I wouldn't mind him. ;P In all seriousness, I just worry he is a bit irrational and lacks consistency with his players. Being a hardass isn't terrible, it's the "other stuff" I worry about. If the ownership believes, as you do, that was overblown, I'd get behind Gruden when he was hired. I just don't believe Gruden would be brought in based on what we've gone after in the past. There could be worse hires. :P

Also, on Belichick, I know that he knows New England's offense. The point was to say that even though their defense is a weak point right now, it is still a focus of that team, and they actually come through on critical stops often enough. They allow more points, but imo, the stats don't tell the tale with their defense. My thoughts there may (are) bias by the fact I live in Massachusetts right now, and if there's one game I have on TV every week, it's the Patriots... and not by choice, though they are such a complete organization I can't help but be impressed by them, heh.

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