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would JR even pay for a #1 pick?

brandon_87

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How can an uncapped year affect cutting salaries? It could help in adding salaries, perhaps.

Cutting a player accelerates their signing bonus (guaranteed money) so what's usually prorated on an annual basis suddenly all counts right now.

Let's say you gave a guy a 24 million dollar signing bonus over a six year contract. Each year, 4 million of that would count against the cap. Cut him in year three though, and all of a sudden his cap figure for that season shoots up from 4 million to 16 million (plus whatever annual salary he's paid).

That's why it's been difficult for teams to cut guys that had big signing bonuses. The prorate made the cap figures untenable.

In an uncapped year though? Cut whomever you want. No worries.

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...and I do believe that JR thought we would be much better than we are right now, just as many of us did (including myself). When you look at who we got rid of on paper, outside of Peppers there really wasn't an impact player among them, so it was reasonable to think we would be pretty good with this group of guys based on the way we finished the season last year.

Matt Moore choked, Bernadeau regressed, Otah was hurt and all of the sudden we found ourselves in a bad place... that's how thin the line is between success and failure in the NFL. We couldn't run the ball because we lost our push on the right side of the line, which means we couldn't setup play action, which means we have no offense.

You could argue that we should have brought in a veteran QB as backup and that's a valid argument... but we didn't for the same reason that we didn't bring in a veteran _______(fill in the blank) because we're trying to keep payroll as low as possible until this CBA thing is resolved. We also did not want to commit large sums of money to veteran players when we knew we would have a new coaching staff coming in.

When you're losing like this, everything looks like crap... keep some perspective on what we're doing here. At worst, we're going to emerge from this awful season with a top 5 draft pick (and probably the # 1 overall pick), tons of cap space and the ability to retain as many of our FA's as we want, a stable of young talent with another year of experience under their belt and a new energized coaching staff that will have the flexibility to shape this roster to their exact specifications.

In most cases, when a coach takes over a bad football team, the first year or two is spent cleaning up the damage and then the coach can start implementing his system... that won't be the case here. Look at how far the Bucs have come in just a year by going through this same process. Would you rather be a Skins or Cowboys fan and be doomed to eternal mediocrity by refusing to ever bite the bullet and go through this process?

I could go on and on, but to get back on topic - the only year JR has ever been "cheap" is this year and it's no coincidence that it happens to be the same year where there is the threat of a lockout and the uncertainty of a new CBA. JR didn't just hatch this idea sometime in June... think about the timing of when Fox and Hurney's contracts were set to expire, it was no accident. Successful people like JR plan years in advance for this kind of a move. In two years, we'll all be looking back on this year as a necessary evil while we prepare to enter the playoffs.

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...and I do believe that JR thought we would be much better than we are right now, just as many of us did (including myself). When you look at who we got rid of on paper, outside of Peppers there really wasn't an impact player among them, so it was reasonable to think we would be pretty good with this group of guys based on the way we finished the season last year.

Matt Moore choked, Bernadeau regressed, Otah was hurt and all of the sudden we found ourselves in a bad place... that's how thin the line is between success and failure in the NFL. We couldn't run the ball because we lost our push on the right side of the line, which means we couldn't setup play action, which means we have no offense.

You could argue that we should have brought in a veteran QB as backup and that's a valid argument... but we didn't for the same reason that we didn't bring in a veteran _______(fill in the blank) because we're trying to keep payroll as low as possible until this CBA thing is resolved. We also did not want to commit large sums of money to veteran players when we knew we would have a new coaching staff coming in.

When you're losing like this, everything looks like crap... keep some perspective on what we're doing here. At worst, we're going to emerge from this awful season with a top 5 draft pick (and probably the # 1 overall pick), tons of cap space and the ability to retain as many of our FA's as we want, a stable of young talent with another year of experience under their belt and a new energized coaching staff that will have the flexibility to shape this roster to their exact specifications.

In most cases, when a coach takes over a bad football team, the first year or two is spent cleaning up the damage and then the coach can start implementing his system... that won't be the case here. Look at how far the Bucs have come in just a year by going through this same process. Would you rather be a Skins or Cowboys fan and be doomed to eternal mediocrity by refusing to ever bite the bullet and go through this process?

I could go on and on, but to get back on topic - the only year JR has ever been "cheap" is this year and it's no coincidence that it happens to be the same year where there is the threat of a lockout and the uncertainty of a new CBA. JR didn't just hatch this idea sometime in June... think about the timing of when Fox and Hurney's contracts were set to expire, it was no accident. Successful people like JR plan years in advance for this kind of a move. In two years, we'll all be looking back on this year as a necessary evil while we prepare to enter the playoffs.

Well said. That about sums it up. :)

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JR has gone cheap one year out of 16, with a new CBA looming and everyone thinks it's permanent, LOL

Everyone was in shock JR would throw away a season like this. We always knew JR spent so we assumed we was a part of the team and the team came first. This year JR solidified his view that the team comes second, and money/nfl comes first. This came as a surprise to the people who had this supreme notion JR who thought he was here for the PSL owners/city/team, not a slave of the NFL. I think they are justified, as PSLs did pay for the stadium. but with this enlightenment comes the fear of JR conforming in any way possible despite casting his team aside to the NFL. In simple words JR is more of a business man than a panther fan. SO you can't really blame the fans for thinking outside the "JR always coughs it up well except this year but at least we come #2 in his priorities".

Funny thing is if we start winning people will say JR is god, and if it fails misrebly (which yes, this is a possibility) people will say it all started this year and grew.

I personally wish we had a different owner with a different vibe especially in the stadium.

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I'm one of the guys who was pissed at Richardson being cheap, but I'm over it. It was more venting frustration that we suck. Now I'm just looking forward to the next season. He'll spend the dough, not worried about it anymore.

I sure hope so. JR has making us the worst team in the NFL for a season and probably all-time 5 to make up for...and after saving $ and raising ticket prices he surely would have enough to do it!

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Everyone was in shock JR would throw away a season like this. We always knew JR spent so we assumed we was a part of the team and the team came first. This year JR solidified his view that the team comes second, and money/nfl comes first. This came as a surprise to the people who had this supreme notion JR who thought he was here for the PSL owners/city/team, not a slave of the NFL. I think they are justified, as PSLs did pay for the stadium. but with this enlightenment comes the fear of JR conforming in any way possible despite casting his team aside to the NFL. In simple words JR is more of a business man than a panther fan. SO you can't really blame the fans for thinking outside the "JR always coughs it up well except this year but at least we come #2 in his priorities".

Funny thing is if we start winning people will say JR is god, and if it fails misrebly (which yes, this is a possibility) people will say it all started this year and grew.

I personally wish we had a different owner with a different vibe especially in the stadium.

Funny how everyone says that JR now puts profits ahead of a successful franchise...based on what he did this ONE season. JR has ALWAYS spent on this team in an effort to put the best product on the field.

Yes, he made a calculated gamble this season that did not pay off...many thoght Moore was a legitimate QB...and who would have thought that our OLine would struggle so mightlity...or that Otah and Davis would be gone for the entire season.

JR did risk this season for the betterment of the long-term future of this team. He dumped high priced and low impact players without putting the team in future cap hell.....look at the players that we cut...none of them are doing ANYTHING in the NFL.

You could argue that we should have signed high price FA's, and I do think a legit #2 (such as Boldin) would have been a good move. However, with the ristk of no football next season and contracts coming up for several young plyaers...he had to get them on the field to see if they were going to be part of its future.

We all have struggled through this painful season. However, to think that JR now will sacrifice the team..his baby...for a $ is fuging moronic.

That is all.

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Well, that shows how little you know about the Salary Cap and CBA situation.

Both the owners and the NFLPA want a rookie payscale....it WILL BE part of any new CBA that is put into place.

But it won't necessarily be in place by the time the draft rolls around. The draft will occur regardless of the CBA.

If you want out of the 1st overall pick, it's easy... you pass. The rules say that if you pass the next team is up and you fall in behind them.

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