Anyone Still Want to Defend Clausen?

[chknwing]

I'll defend him. If you really think Clausen is the problem, you are sadly mistaken. True he needs alot of work but far from the cause. Here's the real problem and was so evident in the loss to Seattle. Carolina has such a plain and predictable playbook, offensively and defensively that it is very easy for teams to make adjustments. Carolina owned Seattle until halftime. Seattle makes their adjustments and carolina falls apart.

[CRA]

I'll defend him. If you really think Clausen is the problem, you are sadly mistaken. True he needs alot of work but far from the cause. Here's the real problem and was so evident in the loss to Seattle. Carolina has such a plain and predictable playbook, offensively and defensively that it is very easy for teams to make adjustments. Carolina owned Seattle until halftime. Seattle makes their adjustments and carolina falls apart.

Jimmy Clausen is more predictable than Fox's playbook. Pressure him and take away his checkdown pass......that is all Seattle did that 2nd half. There are plays to be made in Fox's lame scheme.....they have been there ALL season in the passing game. Moore couldn't hit them and Jimmy doesn't try. Smitty is right when he says the WRs are getting open....Clausen kills plays/routes when he bails on plays and scrambles.....defenses have figured this out. Blitz and it doesn't matter if you actually get pressure......Clausen kills the routes when you give an appearance of pressure.

[DaCityKats]

right when he takes one step foward, he takes three steps back. he refuses to look down field, has bad pocket presence, low balls etc.......we can not put it all on the ol because when he has time he still does not look good.

at that same time it is not all jimmy fault. play calling is poo, and the way teams blitz us i wonder why havent we came up with some hot routes.

[mav1234]

Jimmy Clausen is more predictable than Fox's playbook. Pressure him and take away his checkdown pass......that is all Seattle did that 2nd half. There are plays to be made in Fox's lame scheme.....they have been there ALL season in the passing game. Moore couldn't hit them and Jimmy doesn't try. Smitty is right when he says the WRs are getting open....Clausen kills plays/routes when he bails on plays and scrambles.....defenses have figured this out. Blitz and it doesn't matter if you actually get pressure......Clausen kills the routes when you give an appearance of pressure.

not that I doubt it, but where did Smith say the WRs were getting open?

Haven't been reading the observer articles so closely anymore.

I also think it was clear Clausen was trying to make more down the field plays last week in the first half, and in the second half, that fact got him pretty badly rattled since he has trouble stepping up in the pocket.

[CRA]

not that I doubt it, but where did Smith say the WRs were getting open?

Haven't been reading the observer articles so closely anymore.

I also think it was clear Clausen was trying to make more down the field plays last week in the first half, and in the second half, that fact got him pretty badly rattled since he has trouble stepping up in the pocket.

after the Seattle game. Smitty isn't just saying the typical Smitty thing that he was getting open. He made a point to name the rookie WRs.

[House]

Watch the first 3-4 games that Jimmy was a part of, he stood strong in the pocket and was getting killed in the pocket. As the season has worn on he has started bailing quicker. I don't know if he is just not willing to sit in a pocket and get hit on every throw while his OL just stands around or if his clock is fuged and he is on his way to being a David Carr proto-type.

Also, Jimmy caught flack for throwing that pass right into #91 chest on the bubble screen. Watch it again, Williams was the lineman on that side and he came off of the LOS and backed up about 3 yds and watched the DE run right by him. Under no circumstance should the DE be that far upfield that quickly on ANY passing play much less a bubble screen. Still a bad throw but it underlines the issues with the OL this season.

[House]

not that I doubt it, but where did Smith say the WRs were getting open?

Haven't been reading the observer articles so closely anymore.

I also think it was clear Clausen was trying to make more down the field plays last week in the first half, and in the second half, that fact got him pretty badly rattled since he has trouble stepping up in the pocket.

Smith said that "they sure weren't coverage sacks because the WR's were getting open". While I don't doubt that some of the WR's were getting open during the game, upon watching the game again, most of the WR's were about 3 yds off the LOS by the time pressure was on Jimmy. Its open to interpritation on if he was talking about Jimmy or the OL, probably both.

[CRA]

Smith said that "they sure weren't coverage sacks because the WR's were getting open". While I don't doubt that some of the WR's were getting open during the game, upon watching the game again, most of the WR's were about 3 yds off the LOS by the time pressure was on Jimmy. Its open to interpritation on if he was talking about Jimmy or the OL, probably both.

but again, Jimmy makes the opponents pressure effective...... when it really is nothing. When any DE makse a move he drops back and scrambles around it. So the WRs don't even get to finish the route b/c immediately Jimmy turns the play into a create your own

[Icege]

Wait a minute.

You're telling me that it is completely and totally acceptable for the ground game, which is the backbone of this offense, to come on late while the QB, whom the offense is not designed around at all, has to play lights out from the start? Even when they're a rookie? That's asinine.

The Bears are airing the ball out. Mike Marz. Enough said, and they STILL have found the endzone more than us. If anything, that makes an even stronger case against the rushing attack here.

Clausen Cause in full effect I see. You're going to excuse the rushing attack for the FIRST EIGHT GAMES OF THE SEASON where we went 1-7? Yet, Jimmy, who hasn't even started in the 8 games that he has played this season (he started 5), is an instant bust and needs to be kicked to the curb because he hasn't shown much promise when the coaching staff only wants him throwing the ball in long yardage situations? Get out of here with that garbage. Having a difference of an opinion is fine and dandy, but when you're going to put unreasonable expectations on a rookie QB and not hold accountable the bread and butter of this offense, that's not even a matter of forming an opinion. That's a chicken with its head cut off (which JC does look like when he's trying to get his ass back in the pocket to avoid anybody that didn't get blocked this time).

[House]

but again, Jimmy makes the opponents pressure effective...... when it really is nothing. When any DE makse a move he drops back and scrambles around it. So the WRs don't even get to finish the route b/c immediately Jimmy turns the play into a create your own

While Jimmy is not standing in the pocket strong right now, I would beg to differ, and say that the OL has made and continues to make the D's pressure effective.

[chknwing]

LMAO Arnold Swartzeneggar wouldnt stand strong in that pocket behind our OL. You get drilled to the ground a few times and see if your trust in that oline dissolves quickly.

[House]

LMAO Arnold Swartzeneggar wouldnt stand strong in that pocket behind our OL. You get drilled to the ground a few times and see if your trust in that oline dissolves quickly.

Yeah.....well.........Cutler stood strong in the pocket last year even though he was getting pounded! I mean, yeah, he threw like a million and 2 picks but he stood strong in the pocket! His psyche is blown and he makes quick and bad decisions on a consistent basis now, but he stands strong in the pocket.

[mav1234]

but again, Jimmy makes the opponents pressure effective...... when it really is nothing. When any DE makse a move he drops back and scrambles around it. So the WRs don't even get to finish the route b/c immediately Jimmy turns the play into a create your own

ok, and how is he making the pressure effective when Kalil ignores the linebacker blitzing up the middle or stunting in?

Clausen sucks, but let's be honest: so does our pass blocking.

I mean goddamn, what is wrong with our playcalling? our routes take forEVER to develop. grah.

[Urrymonster]

but again, Jimmy makes the opponents pressure effective...... when it really is nothing. When any DE makse a move he drops back and scrambles around it. So the WRs don't even get to finish the route b/c immediately Jimmy turns the play into a create your own

Jimmy only struggles on the deeper drops. Watch the Smith pass again, that is the kind of deeper passing we need to focus on. Check the safeties, quick drop and let him run into the pass. If the safeties are moving to cover the outside, then a quick dump off and there is potential for a big gain up the middle.