Matt Maiocco has us taking Newton # 1 overall

[JungleCat]

If we can't trade down and have to pick first, I hope it's Fairley. I don't see anyone else making an immediate impact, but I trust the new coaching staff to make those decisions. JMO

[DaCityKats]

Why? Because they don't like the same quarterback you do?

There are legitimate concerns about Newton. heck, there are legitimate concerns about every first round QB prospect in this draft. I've said repeatedly I don't want any of them.

If you want to argue about it, how about actually sticking to the facts and/or accepting that intelligent people can legitimately disagree rather than playing the "everyone who doesn't think like me is ignorant" card?

no, i can careless what anybody else like. my problem is people bash this guy for the dumbest reason. he played in a 1 read offense but than you say he cant read defense. or he has questions about work ethic etc..... that is all bs.

than you come on here saying its hard to coach a guy, but last i check thats their job. you have to do whatever is needed to get this guy to the top of his game, and once he is their he will be hell to stop.i throw facts out but every time i do they get dismissed like a kid waiting for the bell to ring.it's fine you disagree with me, but when you push for a guy in the same system with worst numbers makes you wonder why.(not stating you on that last sentence)

so before you claim that im throwing the card out do some research first.i tried to keep an open mind but some people on here are just douches.

[mav1234]

no, i can careless what anybody else like. my problem is people bash this guy for the dumbest reason. he played in a 1 read offense but than you say he cant read defense. or he has questions about work ethic etc..... that is all bs.

than you come on here saying its hard to coach a guy, but last i check thats their job. you have to do whatever is needed to get this guy to the top of his game, and once he is their he will be hell to stop.i throw facts out but every time i do they get dismissed like a kid waiting for the bell to ring.it's fine you disagree with me, but when you push for a guy in the same system with worst numbers makes you wonder why.(not stating you on that last sentence)

First, not many of us think he can't read defenses, we just havent' seen evidence of him making multiple reads. That doesn't mean he is incapable of it, just that it is a learning curve, i.e., he is a project.

Second, who the heck are you referring to when you say people are pushing for a guy in the same system with worse numbers?? Kaepernick or something? (not even the same system but I have no idea who else it is that ran a system even close that has been discussed on this board)

[Stumpy]

[KANYE VOICE]mav1234 doesn't care about black QBs[/KANYE VOICE]

[mav1234]

[KANYE VOICE]mav1234 doesn't care about black QBs[/KANYE VOICE]

damn it you went and did it.

[Stumpy]

Errbody getcha troll on...

[DaCityKats]

First, not many of us think he can't read defenses, we just havent' seen evidence of him making multiple reads. That doesn't mean he is incapable of it, just that it is a learning curve, i.e., he is a project.

Second, who the heck are you referring to when you say people are pushing for a guy in the same system with worse numbers?? Kaepernick or something? (not even the same system but I have no idea who else it is that ran a system even close that has been discussed on this board)

first many guys do think he cant read defenses. he wasnt asked or coached to make multiple reads. every rookie is a project.

second, im refering to everyone on that yo gabbba gabba train. i know kaepernick didnt run the exact same o as cam but it was still a 1 read offense with the option read.just they used the pistol and not the side car auburn uses.

[Mr. Scot]

no, i can careless what anybody else like. my problem is people bash this guy for the dumbest reason. he played in a 1 read offense but than you say he cant read defense. or he has questions about work ethic etc..... that is all bs.

than you come on here saying its hard to coach a guy, but last i check thats their job. you have to do whatever is needed to get this guy to the top of his game, and once he is their he will be hell to stop.i throw facts out but every time i do they get dismissed like a kid waiting for the bell to ring.it's fine you disagree with me, but when you push for a guy in the same system with worst numbers makes you wonder why.(not stating you on that last sentence)

so before you claim that im throwing the card out do some research first.i tried to keep an open mind but some people on here are just douches.

He has played in a "one-read-and-run" attack. That makes his learning curve larger, as it does for any QB in that kind of system.

And in fairness, we have no idea whether he'll be "hell to stop". That prediction's been made before with others and hasn't come true.

Yes, you have to coach whomever you pick up, but we're talking about the #1 overall pick in the draft. If you have that pick and the choice is between a guy who can likely play right now - like Nick Fairley - or a guy who will take at least one year (and maybe more) to get ready, you take the first guy pretty much every time.

[koolkatluke]

He has played in a "one-read-and-run" attack. That makes his learning curve larger, as it does for any QB in that kind of system.

And in fairness, we have no idea whether he'll be "hell to stop". That prediction's been made before with others and hasn't come true.

Yes, you have to coach whomever you pick up, but we're talking about the #1 overall pick in the draft. If you have that pick and the choice is between a guy who can likely play right now - like Nick Fairley - or a guy who will take at least one year (and maybe more) to get ready, you take the first guy pretty much every time.

Thank you Mr. Scot. This is somthing the Cam people don't get. With the 1st overall pick you want someone who can start day 1.

[teeray]

There are legitimate concerns about every player that ever has come out in the draft. Even Luck the single greatest player in history of football (roll eyes) history has concerns about his decision making, occasional flaws in his throwing motion, and consistent accuracy.

By the standard you guys have set now the only QB we will ever be able to draft is Andrew Luck.

There is no consensus number one player in this draft. There are currently 5 different threads about five different players because all these guys have legitimate concerns. If there were I would be on that players bandwagon. But there isn't.

Therefore, I go after the best player in the biggest position of need. Considering we have a pro bowl wide receiver, two pro bowl running backs, a really good (when healthy) offensive line, and a top ten per possession defense the answer for biggest hole is obvious.

Even is we get Bowers, or Fairley, or Peterson. It won't matter if we leave our defense on the field 70% of the game. Even of we get Green it won't matter because if we can't get him the ball.

We need to address this position and it is unfortunate Luck stayed in school but that doesn't give us the green light to ignore the QB position.

Especially a QB who has unlimited potential. He may have more questions about Cam than Luck but literally so does every QB that has been in the draft since Peyton Manning, but Newton also has more upside than Luck which is why i find him compelling.

[koolkatluke]

There are legitimate concerns about every player that ever has come out in the draft. Even Luck the single greatest player in history of football (roll eyes) history has concerns about his decision making, occasional flaws in his throwing motion, and consistent accuracy.

By the standard you guys have set now the only QB we will ever be able to draft is Andrew Luck.

There is no consensus number one player in this draft. There are currently 5 different threads about five different players because all these guys have legitimate concerns. If there were I would be on that players bandwagon. But there isn't.

Therefore, I go after the best player in the biggest position of need. Considering we have a pro bowl wide receiver, two pro bowl running backs, a really good (when healthy) offensive line, and a top ten per possession defense the answer for biggest hole is obvious.

Even is we get Bowers, or Fairley, or Peterson. It won't matter if we leave our defense on the field 70% of the game. Even of we get Green it won't matter because if we can't get him the ball.

We need to address this position and it is unfortunate Luck stayed in school but that doesn't give us the green light to ignore the QB position.

Especially a QB who has unlimited potential. He may have more questions about Cam than Luck but literally so does every QB that has been in the draft since Peyton Manning, but Newton also has more upside than Luck which is why i find him compelling.

Cam is still not consider the best QB coming out. So you are already wrong. You all keep throwing Cam name out and he is still not seen by many scouts too be in the top 10. I love how people jump on the next running QB train every year.

[ncbobcat]

I can't believe this thread actually made it this far. You all must be bored.

Cam<<<<<<<<<<<<<<#1 overall pick

It shouldn't take 200+ posts to figure that out.

[mav1234]

first many guys do think he cant read defenses. he wasnt asked or coached to make multiple reads. every rookie is a project.

second, im refering to everyone on that yo gabbba gabba train. i know kaepernick didnt run the exact same o as cam but it was still a 1 read offense with the option read.just they used the pistol and not the side car auburn uses.

Did you just say Gabbert ran the same offense as Newton? What? Not all spread offenses are the same, ffs. Not saying he's going to go number one, because he won't, but they were in very different offenses.

Kaepernick's may have been a 1 read and run offense (only saw one game of Nevada where it did kinda look like that), but I sure as hell don't want him at #1 either.

As to being coached to make multiple reads, it looked more like he was being coached to lean on his incredible physical abilities. In the college game, that is much easier on the coach and honestly it's more effective than teaching them to play a game more similar to the NFL style.

[teeray]

Did you just say Gabbert ran the same offense as Newton? What? Not all spread offenses are the same, ffs.

Kaepernick's may have been a 1 read and run offense (only saw one game of Nevada where it did kinda look like that), but I sure as hell don't want him at #1 either.

As to being coached to make multiple reads, it looked more like he was being coached to lean on his incredible physical abilities.

Gabbert ran a spread option at Mizzou very similar to the one Auburn runs. Mizzou ran their offense more to Gabbert's strengths as Auburn did for Cam so they didn't really look a lot alike but the concepts were very similar.

Again Auburn did not run a one read and run offense. They simply didn't. A spread option yes. There were times early in the year where Cam bailed if his first two options weren't there, but the offense itself is not a one read and run offense. As the season progressed and Cam felt more comfortable with the offense he did go through his progression unless the pocket broke down in which case he did scramble. It simply isn't true that Gus Malzhan's offense is a one read and run offense.

For the record Andrew Luck also often times bailed on the pocket after his first two reads were covered as well. It is something that all college QB's have to deal with as they move to the NFL. It isn't confined to just a Cam Newton thing. How well did Clausen do this year getting through his progressions? He played in a pro offense with an NFL offensive coordinator and ALL of his college offense translated to the NFL.