Analysts Interpretations On Cam's Workout

[Mr. Scot]

I wouldn't pass on someone or draft them because of the Heisman.

Maybe not, but I see that argument a lot. That's why I pointed it out.

People trying to use the Heisman and/or BCS Championship as selling points should take a look at the guys that have done that over the past several years - and where those guys are now - before throwing that particular card.

Not a big fan of "he's a winner/he won a lot of games in college" either. So did a lot of guys who went on to the NFL and failed.

[mountainpantherfan]

Well there is no such thing as a can't miss QB, so you have to take a chance on somebody, and if that's the case, you might as well go after the guy with the most upside. And what is wrong with developing a QB anyway? Why do people think a rookie QB has to be ready to win a Super Bowl right away? There is nothing realistic about that kind of thinking, especially for us.

Just to let you know Monstercat, I took what you said as that you were saying Newton was a can't miss QB. My bad if that wasn't what you were saying, but it's how I took your comments, and others.

I really believe based on your comment above that we are on the same page. I think a QB should be drafted and then developed. I'm just not sure the NFL still believes this and Panther fan (in general) don't believe this at all. Most fans have already given up on Clausen and Edwards. How does fair for a guy like Newton?

[rayzor]

Pass on them? No, but I'd caution anybody against using the Heisman or the National Championship as an argument in favor of drafting a quarterback.

Take a look back at the names of the guys that have done those two things over the past ten years or so and you'll see why.

i'd caution anybody mentioning anything about winning the heisman one way or the other. doesn't really matter and tells nothing about the player other than he was successful in college.

i'd pay more attention to them winning the national championship because at least that means the guy knows what it's like to win and has been able to perform well on the biggest stage at his level (handled the pressure and has done well with whatever challenge he was given).

[monstercat]

You know, it's kind of funny that the one big knock on Peyton Manning was that he couldn't win the big game in college, and that has pretty much been the case throughout his NFL career. Yeah, he did finally win a Super Bowl, but he also had one of the weakest opponents we've seen in about 10 years. I believe half the AFC conference could have beaten that Rex Grossman led Bears team. At any rate, you would think that he would have won more than 1 after all of these years. Just something to think about.

[TarPanther9180]

I trust whatever Mayock says...I think he is the most knowledgeable "expert" when it comes to evaluating the guys in the draft.

[theyhateme45]

You know, it's kind of funny that the one big knock on Peyton Manning was that he couldn't win the big game in college, and that has pretty much been the case throughout his NFL career. Yeah, he did finally win a Super Bowl, but he also had one of the weakest opponents we've seen in about 10 years. I believe half the AFC conference could have beaten that Rex Grossman led Bears team. At any rate, you would think that he would have won more than 1 after all of these years. Just something to think about.

Manning is not the Only great QB in the NFL... and some other great QB's, or very good QB's had played on better teams. Also in the playoffs sometimes great teams play great teams ans sometimes it comes down to 1 or 2 plays. An example, the colts loss multiple games in the playoffs than ended their quest when the "Idiot kicker" missed kicks.... But at the same time Adam V for the patriots made those same kicks and they won.... It's too mant factors involved in winning a championship to simplify it down to just 1 player.

[monstercat]

Manning is not the Only great QB in the NFL... and some other great QB's, or very good QB's had played on better teams. Also in the playoffs sometimes great teams play great teams ans sometimes it comes down to 1 or 2 plays. An example, the colts loss multiple games in the playoffs than ended their quest when the "Idiot kicker" missed kicks.... But at the same time Adam V for the patriots made those same kicks and they won.... It's too mant factors involved in winning a championship to simplify it down to just 1 player.

Yeah, but the QB is always judged on winning or losing the big games, fair or not.

[TarPanther9180]

Yeah, but the QB is always judged on winning or losing the big games, fair or not.

This is true and why Aikman is over rated.

[Sloth]

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Link to Cam's workout

The interview with Warren Moon is more interesting than the actual workout. Love Moon and he has some very positive things to say in regards to Newton's work ethic and drive. Good stuff.

[theyhateme45]

Yeah, but the QB is always judged on winning or losing the big games, fair or not.

And I do not agree with it, or just do what everyone else does or say. Like in my example, it's not always the QB who wins the big games...

Like last year... A-Rodgers was on fire against the Cardinals defense, but they loss... And before this season people were still saying he needed to win a playoff game... REALLY?? I mean Really?? Your QB puts on that many points and it doesn't count because the defense was suck azz??? That is why anytime people approach with that the QB has to win the big game debate in life I quickly dominate them in the debate.

[rayzor]

OK first and most importantly looking the part and being for real is to different things.

Cam and his handlers are putting on a dog and pony show to try and get that number 1 money.

this is one thing i find is very funny. he wants to become the first pick overall and he wants to be able to play at a high level so he gets the best available QB coach around to help him prepare and he gets one of the great all time QBs to come in and help out as well and people criticize him for this?

people doubt his work ethic and his ability to get ready to play at the highest level and when he invites people to come in and see what he is doing to prepare, it's a bad thing?

it's a bad thing to want to impress people?

people are really too silly with this guy. find any excuse to criticize him.

you put someone else that is less controversial like andrew luck (and yes, i'm a luck fan as well) and everyone would be falling all over his work ethic and dedication to improve. huge double standard here....not that i expect anything less.

people like pigeon-holing people. they've got to fit them into stupid little categories and put them in these tiny little boxes so they don't have to make up their own minds about someone. heaven forbid they actually look closely at this kid without having first made up their minds that he's a douche or just a "running QB."

[mountainpantherfan]

this is one thing i find is very funny. he wants to become the first pick overall and he wants to be able to play at a high level so he gets the best available QB coach around to help him prepare and he gets one of the great all time QBs to come in and help out as well and people criticize him for this?

people doubt his work ethic and his ability to get ready to play at the highest level and when he invites people to come in and see what he is doing to prepare, it's a bad thing?

it's a bad thing to want to impress people?

people are really too silly with this guy. find any excuse to criticize him.

you put someone else that is less controversial like andrew luck (and yes, i'm a luck fan as well) and everyone would be falling all over his work ethic and dedication to improve. huge double standard here....not that i expect anything less.

people like pigeon-holing people. they've got to fit them into stupid little categories and put them in these tiny little boxes so they don't have to make up their own minds about someone. heaven forbid they actually look closely at this kid without having first made up their minds that he's a douche or just a "running QB."

I completely agree with you that this shouldn't be taken as a negative and Newton shouldn't be pigeon-holed.

However, there is also nothing really to be gained from an accurate evaluation of the player either from this.

[rayzor]

I completely agree with you that this shouldn't be taken as a negative and Newton shouldn't be pigeon-holed.

However, there is also nothing really to be gained from an accurate evaluation of the player either from this.

the only thing i would take from it is that he is working hard and is learning some things from some people who can really help make him better. it gives me an idea of what kind of things he's working on and improvements he's making on mechanics, footwork, etc. it also lets me know what he thinks is important and that he is coachable.

to me, thats the most important things to be seen at this moment.

biggest story is in the tape, but it isn't the only story. his dedication to improving and seeing that he can get more fundamentally sound is a huge draw. those that doubt he can make it in the big leagues should be impressed that he is making strides and have to be optimistic that when he does get drafted, that with the right coaching he can reach his potential.

its all about what's between the ears and the influence he allows coaches to have on him.

[Snake]

this is one thing i find is very funny. he wants to become the first pick overall and he wants to be able to play at a high level so he gets the best available QB coach around to help him prepare and he gets one of the great all time QBs to come in and help out as well and people criticize him for this?

people doubt his work ethic and his ability to get ready to play at the highest level and when he invites people to come in and see what he is doing to prepare, it's a bad thing?

it's a bad thing to want to impress people?

people are really too silly with this guy. find any excuse to criticize him.

you put someone else that is less controversial like andrew luck (and yes, i'm a luck fan as well) and everyone would be falling all over his work ethic and dedication to improve. huge double standard here....not that i expect anything less.

people like pigeon-holing people. they've got to fit them into stupid little categories and put them in these tiny little boxes so they don't have to make up their own minds about someone. heaven forbid they actually look closely at this kid without having first made up their minds that he's a douche or just a "running QB."

Any QB can be picked apart like this. Even right now I could question Lucks hart because who knows... He might decide he does not like being a QB and wants to be an architect. Its very possible cause he already has chosen that over Football. Not that will happen but if you look at anything too much you will find flaws.