Cam Character Issue?

[DaCityKats]

lmao thats a sad excuse trd.

[rayzor]

Maybe he's working so hard and hiring all those people and putting on publicity stunts because he wants to be #1 and get #1 money while the other two had the actual skillset to go #1 and didn't have to do much in terms of publicity?

He's trying to hype himself there to get the money while the others had the tools to put them there, could that be the case?

just as or more likely that he actually wants to be the best QB possible and is trying to improve areas that needs it.

guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. if he were another color or wasn't seen as just a running QB then i doubt many would question his motivation.

i just think the criticisms of him are pretty pathetic. if there is a negative spin someone can put on him, people are going to find it and believe it.

[monstercat]

I agree.

Point stands that he doesn't have the talent that those guys did that's why we see his "work ethic" when we didn't see theirs.

What you call work ethic, I call publicity stunt.

;)

Maybe you should expalin to Bucky Brooks how Cam doesn't have the talent, because he sure seems to believe that Cam will succeed in the NFL.

And what you call a publicity stunt, I call a player trying to get the same exposure that all of those seniors got during senior bowl practice.

Either way, it will all come out in the wash, and Cam will be drafted in the top 5.

[ckparrothead]

I'm not really allowed to post a thread about this yet because I'm freshly registered but you can find the most thorough collection of information on Cam Newton here, an article written for the South Florida Sun Sentinel by Universal Draft. If any of the more tenured members thinks this article deserves its own thread, feel free.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html

[Urrymonster]

I'm not really allowed to post a thread about this yet because I'm freshly registered but you can find the most thorough collection of information on Cam Newton here, an article written for the South Florida Sun Sentinel by Universal Draft. If any of the more tenured members thinks this article deserves its own thread, feel free.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html

Hmmmm

Don't mean to take things for fact, but a 'hard-working' person does not buy papers off the internet and change names on submitted work. No, they do the work themselves...

[ckparrothead]

I'm sure this would make Cam Newton the first successful pro athlete that ever skimped on his academic work in college. No? Well, maybe the second. No? The 347th? The 1595th? Shall we keep counting?

[Urrymonster]

I'm sure this would make Cam Newton the first successful pro athlete that ever skimped on his academic work in college. No? Well, maybe the second. No? The 347th? The 1595th? Shall we keep counting?

I appreciate that, but it's not an isolated incident. Add in that we are taking the very first player in the draft and you have to make doubly sure this player has the right attitude.

[rayzor]

Hmmmm

Don't mean to take things for fact, but a 'hard-working' person does not buy papers off the internet and change names on submitted work. No, they do the work themselves...

may come as a surprise to you, but not all work is valued the same by all people. i put effort into the things i deem important. most my undergrad courses i just coasted through while i excelled in my business classes. people don't have to excel at everything...just what they are going to concentrate the bulk of their efforts in or what their passion is.

not everyone is blessed with being able to be a good student. lots of reasons for that. i'm not going to hold newton's grades against him, nor am i going to care too much that my QB may not have written a couple of his papers in college. one doesn't have anything to do with the other and it doesn't make him a bad person anymore than anyone making a couple mistakes or taking a couple shortcuts makes them a bad person.

[Urrymonster]

may come as a surprise to you, but not all work is valued the same by all people. i put effort into the things i deem important. most my undergrad courses i just coasted through while i excelled in my business classes. people don't have to excel at everything...just what they are going to concentrate the bulk of their efforts in or what their passion is.

not everyone is blessed with being able to be a good student. lots of reasons for that. i'm not going to hold newton's grades against him, nor am i going to care too much that my QB may not have written a couple of his papers in college. one doesn't have anything to do with the other and it doesn't make him a bad person anymore than anyone making a couple mistakes or taking a couple shortcuts makes them a bad person.

And I appreciate that as well.

I was once told a fairly wise statement, "It's how you behave with the little things that reflect how good you are with the big things". Essentially behaviour 'when no one is looking' is a really good insight into the character of a person, as if they still work as hard with the same level of work then you have a truly great person. Someone who is open to taking short cuts when they think no one will know is likely a 'normal' person.

Essentially the concept of a hard working person falls onto the mantra of 'making yourself all you can be'. Anyone who believes in that will not be cutting short in any area.

From what I can see, is that he loves the game and that is what fuels his determination, coupled with his sheer competitive determination. I just wonder what will happen if anything challenges that love for the game, if we end up seeing the guy who is prepared to take short cuts.

Honestly? I have a bit of an issue with someone who has done these things repeatedly. The 12 traffic violations is negligent, the two cases of cheating is questionable. The throwing the laptop out the window is just immature, as he must have realised it wouldn't have achieved anything and he didn't want to face up to what he had done.

That said, I am warming to him as a prospect and potentially our pick. I still feel his feet can get very flat footed when dropping back and doing play action. I still feel he has yet to show any ability to throw a timing route. I still feel he needs to sit and learn the pro game to prevent him from developing bad habits.

If the Panthers selected him #1 you can bet that they are convinced this guy is as hard a worker as you can find, as there are too many questions about his game to ignore that facet of his character. He WILL need to work hard, very hard. If he can convince people he is prepared to do that and beyond, then it's possible we are considering him.

[TheRealDeal]

lmao thats a sad excuse trd.

Yeah if it was actually a real point and we were trying to have a real discussion about Cam then it would be sad.

Considering the fact that I've stated that I will have no real discussion about Cam anymore and will in fact just laugh at everyone who actually tries to discuss him without spinning their wheels, positively and negatively.

It's more fun to mess with you Cam lovers though because you get all worked up and go to great lengths to discredit anyone else. :biggrin:

[TheRealDeal]

may come as a surprise to you, but not all work is valued the same by all people. i put effort into the things i deem important. most my undergrad courses i just coasted through while i excelled in my business classes. people don't have to excel at everything...just what they are going to concentrate the bulk of their efforts in or what their passion is.

not everyone is blessed with being able to be a good student. lots of reasons for that. i'm not going to hold newton's grades against him, nor am i going to care too much that my QB may not have written a couple of his papers in college. one doesn't have anything to do with the other and it doesn't make him a bad person anymore than anyone making a couple mistakes or taking a couple shortcuts makes them a bad person.

It doesn't scare you a little that instead of face the punishment he decided to run away? That shows real character.

Cam only cares about the spotlight and the dollar bills!

[rayzor]

It doesn't scare you a little that instead of face the punishment he decided to run away? That shows real character.

Cam only cares about the spotlight and the dollar bills!

you never ran when you thought you were going to be in trouble?

it's apparent, though, that you know him perfectly just like you do clausen and matt moore (or any other player you hype or don't like).

/responding to your trolling efforts

[blackcatgrowl]

I just read over some of this article:

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html

Traffic tickets? TRAFFIC Tickets? Are you fuging kidding me? We're talking about a young man's traffic tickets as being a factor in deciding if he's worthy of a roster spot on a pro football team?

FFS, SERIOUSLY?

God damn someone has it out for this guy. I'll leave you to speculate why, but when fuging traffic tickets come up in a draft analysis of a player, someone is digging for poo to put on the guy.

Traffic tickets... I've heard it all now... I don't take anyone seriously anymore about this kid unless were talking football stats.

[mav1234]

did you even read the article, blackcatgrowl? or did you just zoom to certain areas to bitch about? It certainly didn't say "don't draft him cause he has tickets!!!"

NFL teams are going to look into everything, including that, but I doubt tickets will weigh heavy on their mind. Ultimately the tickets had little to do with the article's decision, either :P