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I now 100% endorse Cam Newton for the #1 pick

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Now where would I get the idea that everyone cheated in college? Oh wait..."so I see students try to cheat all of the time". So you acknowledge that it's extremely commonplace. Do you think that a student that cheats should have that cheating follow him around at future professions that have nothing to do with things like academia where a previous cheating violation would be relevant? He's going to be a football player, not a college professor.

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If we draft Cam:

Panthers fans will remember the day Andrew Luck declared he was staying as: the worst day in franchise history or the greatest blessing in disguise for a professional franchise ever......for you rednecks out there Cam is either going to blow or blow defenses up

I'm really worried it might be the first, but no matter who we draft I will fully support that guy

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Also, just because we hype the poo out of Cam Newton, doesn't necessarily mean we want him. Just saying, the king of draft day trading would love to deal for more picks, especially if a team like Arizona or the Bungles get desperate

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Now where would I get the idea that everyone cheated in college? Oh wait..."so I see students try to cheat all of the time". So you acknowledge that it's extremely commonplace.

Did I say everyone? No. I said try to cheat...do they do it twice? Not normally. Not if they have ANY sort of intelligence or if they realize their mistake and feel guilty about it.

Do you think that a student that cheats should have that cheating follow him around at future professions that have nothing to do with things like academia where a previous cheating violation would be relevant?

That depends on the severity of the situation...I didn't say that he shouldn't get a job, just that I wouldn't pick him with the number one pick. I don't trust him, but i don't make these decisions...

He's going to be a football player, not a college professor.

Thank goodness...and no sh!t.

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He has maybe more upside than anyone in the draft, but at the same time he's really raw and is considered by basically everyone to be a huge risk.

If he flops that screws you over in several ways, #1 overall pick down the toilet, missing out on other elite talents, paying out a huge contract with nothing to show for it. Maybe worse of all is that no matter how bad he looks year 1 you're automatically going to pass on a really good looking 2012 QB class if you invest such a high pick in him.

I wouldn't totally be against taking him or anything but if they do go with him they need to scout him in every possible way, put him through every test imaginable and be pretty confident he's going to work out. Not sure I really trust Hurney's judgment on this either.

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Here's how a good GM works.

Peyton manning. Ryan Leaf. Leaf. Manning. Manning. Leaf. Manning is more polished. Leaf throws a better deep ball. Leaf is built like a tree trunk. Manning is the ultimate student of the game. Manning is now. Leaf is the future.

As Bill Polian lay in his bed a week or so before April's NFL draft, sleep was fleeting. "The football demons kept waking me up," says Polian, who last December became president of the Indianapolis Colts and had the first pick in the draft. "They came jumping out at the oddest times." They were telling Polian that, based on recent drafts, there was a better than 50-50 chance he would pick a quarterback who would fall flat on his face as a pro.

Although he favored Tennessee's Manning over Washington State's Leaf, Polian had trouble putting this baby to bed. He had watched tape of each of Manning's 1,505 passes for the Vols as well as Leaf's 880 for the Cougars. Then twice more he watched every pass that Manning and Leaf threw during the 1997 season, charting on separate legal pads each player's success or failure in making tough throws, long throws, throws on the move. He asked new Colts coach Jim Mora to look twice at every pass that Leaf and Manning threw in college. Quarterbacks coach Bruce Arians viewed every pass four times; other staffers watched three times each.

Polian paid quarterback guru Bill Walsh $5,000 to analyze tape of both quarterbacks. He grilled former NFL quarterback Phil Simms and Vanderbilt coach Woody Widenhofer, both of whom had studied Leaf and Manning. Polian was so meticulous in putting the two players through separate workouts in early April that he even noted how accurately each of them could throw a long pass without striding (Leaf 60 yards, Manning 58, by the way). All told, Polian had spent about 14 hours a day over a 28-day span studying Leaf and Manning. "Did we overanalyze?" he says. "Absolutely."

Scout and analyze the crap out of him, then double check everything just for fun and if you're still 100% sure he's your franchise QB for the next 10+ years then take him.

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